https://techcrunch.com/2017/09/11/volkswagen-to-offer-electric-versions-of-all-of-its-vehicles-by-2030/Volkswagen is the latest car maker to announce a move to electrify its entire range of automobile offerings: The car maker will provide either hybrid or electric versions of every one of its 300 models by 2030, it announced today ahead of the Frankfurt Motor Show in German.
VW's not the first to make a similar commitment - and in fact Daimler's Mercedes-Benz announced it was going to do the same by 2022 earlier today. But the Volkswagen Group's vehicle range is quite a bit larger than Mercedes-Benz's, which makes this a more significant overall commitment.
By 2025, Volkswagen plans to offer 80 new electric vehicles across its group and sub-brands, which include Audi, Bentley, Bugatti and the Volkswagen brand itself. VW has committed to spend nearly $23 billion U.S. on getting this plan in place via zero emissions technology investment, and it also said it would commit more than $55 billion toward purchasing batteries to provide power for these vehicles.
The news also follows the big announcement from this weekend that China would be banning fossil fuel burning vehicles eventually, joining commitments made by the U.K. and France before. There's clearly a trend on both the regulatory and the industry side of the equation with regards to electrified vehicles, but there will still be a lot of questions and work to be done in terms of maturing the supply chain and overcoming technology and infrastructure challenges.
When you're the one to piss your pants and everyone sees you doing it, people usually don't forget.
Indeed, but they will keep forcing it onto the consumer until you're forced to go electric and then they got you by the balls. I mean the cheapest option atm is around $25,000 and it's a puny death trap of a vehicle, it makes a Ford Focus look like a man's car in comparison. A real electric car that doesn't feel like a shoe box is $50,000+ and the majority wont waste it on something that is a PITA all around. It's a pain to work on yourself (aka the tech side), it's a pain to find charging stations where you need them, the battery and life is laughable before you get to shell out another $500+ for new batteries, the travel distance is a joke, and it's using a energy that is either dirty, dangerous, or plain unreliable on a infrastructure that can't even support what we have now.
And i still won't buy them. I'll keep my v8, I can move, I can camp, I can go exploring in the mountains, I can go and take rood trips where " recharging " is a 10 min trip, and if i so choose to go camping long term i can bring extra fuel...
That's fine, was only responding to the cost post. No one is taking ICE cars off the road, the worst thing that could happen is AI cars come out and insurance for cars without it go up, but that has nothing to do with EVs.Originally Posted by Mega Man
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And i still won't buy them. I'll keep my v8, I can move, I can camp, I can go exploring in the mountains, I can go and take rood trips where " recharging " is a 10 min trip, and if i so choose to go camping long term i can bring extra fuel...
I have far better traction that any electric vehicle i know of in the snow and ice.
As an added bonus, dat sound
It won't be long until the car learns how to drive on ice and slide in any direction perfectly.Originally Posted by Mega Man
And i still won't buy them. I'll keep my v8, I can move, I can camp, I can go exploring in the mountains, I can go and take rood trips where " recharging " is a 10 min trip, and if i so choose to go camping long term i can bring extra fuel...
I have far better traction that any electric vehicle i know of in the snow and ice.
As an added bonus, dat sound
On a Polish electronics forum there was a discussion about this issue.Originally Posted by DesertRat
One potential positive for so many automakers moving towards electric: Might actually get 1st world nations to update their utility infrastructure.
Either that, or you'll have to do Grid-Storage*-Car. Unless people are going to be okay with charging overnight at home and taxing businesses for "high load" charging stations, the grid needs to improve.
*supercap array, li-ion arrray, etc
The "Grid" fearmogering needs to stop.Originally Posted by Mega Man
No it isn't.
Do you understand the level of electrical infrastructure that would need to be added/ upgraded not going to get into the moronic regulations we (in the us) have set for ourselves on building an electric power plant(that do nothing but raise cost)
But just getting that to your door. It involves far more then you know. And would likely bankrupt most cities and or the power companies
Agree.Originally Posted by Pawelr98
On a Polish electronics forum there was a discussion about this issue.
There's simply no way to improve grid to the point where most of the cars will be electric.
To give an example.
Model X has 90KWh battery.
To charge it within 12 hours you would need 7.5KW outlet.
With 230V it gives 32.6A.
For overnight 8 hour charge 11.25KW.
230V@48.9A
For 400V (getting power between phases) 18.75A and 28.125A respectively.
In 110V countries like USA just forget about charging at home.
And now onto charging stations.
A charge station for say 50 cars.
562.5KW for 50 cars to charge overnight.
Even with 15KV line(most popular medium voltage in Poland) it equals 37.5A without any losses.
Our vice prime minister wanted 1 million electric cars.
If these were all Tesla Model X it would equal 11.25GW.
Our current maximum power output is ~39GW.
So just to power few % of cars we would need ~25% of our current power output.
Average power usage during the day is usually at ~20-ish GW.
There's a dip in power usage during the night which may help but still we are talking about just few %.
During the night average is around 16GW.
If percentage of electric cars would be to go beyond that we would have to boost our power output a lot.
There's also a problem with power output during summer.
A hot summer was sometimes limitng power output because power plants had too little water for cooling,
So as conclusion.
Forget about massive quickcharge stations.
So much this.Originally Posted by Mega Man
No it isn't.
Do you understand the level of electrical infrastructure that would need to be added/ upgraded not going to get into the moronic regulations we (in the us) have set for ourselves on building an electric power plant(that do nothing but raise cost)
But just getting that to your door. It involves far more then you know. And would likely bankrupt most cities and or the power companies
Sshh... Lets keep LPG cheap. If people realise it exists then it will be taxed forever.