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No, i have no problem with it being replaced. But not by something far inferior.

Going back to a previous example.

Let's go on a road trip. Do you want to be forced to stop to feul up for 10 min or 12 hours which sounds better to you?

I can easily stockpile has for a "rainy day" can you easily stock pile electricity?

I can go camping and literally disappear for weeks to months on end in the wilderness due to gas cans, can you do the same with electricity?

What about when your grid is knocked out due to things like, say hurricanes, people can being me gas, what about electric?

I can keep going why it is inferior
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Some folks just try to win arguments through attrition. Their posts start to make less and less sense, become more and more opinionated (whilst simultaneously becoming more and more 'factual') and the grammar and spelling deteriorates into something that's simply painful to read. This effectively allows this person to win many of the 'arguments' when the other, more reasonable participant in this 'argument' sees that attempting to have a discussion with this person is a fruitless endeavor.

Just another day on the internet.

It doesn't matter that most of the world runs 220-240V utilities making much easier to charge an EV. If it doesn't work for some people (poster usually included) in the USA because of whatever reason it won't work for anyone.

Growth rate, demand, the whole industry moving into that direction, ICEs facing restrictions to enter big cities across Europe or even China and Germany announcing an eventual ICE ban doesn't matter.

I'm not even mad. This is like arguing with a creationist about science. It doesn't matter the arguments you present to them, their beliefs will trump any logic or facts. There is no stopping the EV, it is happening right now.

I just find EV haters amusing. They're like children making up senseless excuses.
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Thanks for the added material. Unless we start bringing the other side out we can never have a meaningful debate. Without that, we will never learn

Also i was reminded by your post about stoves (40-50a circuit, double pole)

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Originally Posted by WhiteWulfe View Post

In Canada a lot of places still only have 60A or 100A mains, especially if they're 15 years or older. Sure, houses tended to have somewhat larger panels, and now they're coming with decently sized ones due to higher electrical demands from the modern day family, but since a lot of houses are older, even adding the requirements for an electric vehicle to a house with 100A service is going to be a costly upgrade, or even impossible (some area's building codes won't let you go above 100A service if your wiring is above ground). The place I live in right now (which was built in 1961) only has 60A service to each suite and only four circuits I can spread things across (five if you include the 30A double breaker for the stove).

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Are you charging at 120V or what? Who in their right mind would need or even think about getting a 100A or 150A (!) panel? And dunno about over there, but in my country you just can't get an over 10kW single phase plan as it is bollocks to drive that much current over 230V and at 120V is even more ridiculous.

Here in Wisconsin, 100A is the norm. I've had 5 houses, 3 from the 1920s, my current from 1955 and only my house from 2004 had more than 100A service. It had 200A.
Also, the not uncommon houses from the 1920s had a mix of 1920s to present wiring. I rewired one since I was replacing the lath and plaster, but putting in a new box involves inspectors and that opens up a big can of worms if you have a typical house as houses are typically older than codes in the US. Maybe you can get around it, maybe not.
So it seems most of the country could have lots of expense in just popping in 2 or 3 more 30A or 50A two phase lines for adequate charging for a household to make the switch. I think 200A started being a thing in the 1990s. Here's how old the houses in the US are: https://www.census.gov/programs-surveys/ahs/data/interactive/ahstablecreator.html#?s_areas=a00000&s_year=n2015&s_tableName=Table1&s_byGroup1=a4&s_byGroup2=a1&s_filterGroup1=t1&s_filterGroup2=g1

I might, or I might not have a lot of extra cost (in addition to a new box) to upgrade wiring, not worth the risk for me to find out. Maybe if I had a new house - nah, not spending $40k to replace my $1700(4 years ago) Volvo that will pay for whatever I would save on gas-electric with $250/yr insurance. But if one would make you happy, that's great. Be happy.
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Another example, thanks.

@inouto

No, other countries can do w.e. But the simple fact is generally smaller countries dont drive industries, even a group of many countries dont. All i am doing is presenting a counter argument. Yet you act like i am stating the world will freeze
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Now, we just have to find a way to breed dolphins at the same rate we'd be using them for fuel.

And there's your clean, renewable energy source!

once dolphin is adopted as a renewable fuel source, would baby seal be considered an alternative fuel? like e85...but with fur and a cute expression
    
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