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For the last fifteen or so years I've been building my own computers in various budget ranges spanning from low end to just below enthusiast builds. All my builds have been air cooled. Now I'm in the process of building a new computer and I feel like spoiling myself while at the same time experience a side of my hobby that I've left unexplored for a long time. "Two birds with one stone" if you would call it that.

I've ordered a CaseLabs SMA8 in gunmetal that I'm expecting to receive in a month or a month and a half. While waiting for the case to arrive I'm planning what's going in it in terms or hardware. At the moment I'm going with a i7 7700k (or an i7 8700k depending on pricing, performance and availability when they are released), a z270 (an Asus ROG Maximus IX Hero, or a z370 equivalent) and one, maybe two, Nvidia GTX 1080 ti. I'm overclocking the system. The CPU and GPU will be watercooled and I'm not planning on watercooling anything on the motherboard (vrm, ram, nb and such). For tubing I'm thinking of using 16mm or 5/8" copper pipe and maybe some borosilicate glass just to show off more of the coolant. I like the way copper gives me an industrial feel and I think it would mix well with borosilicate glass and the laboratory feel I get from it. Like a "theory meets practice" kind of thing.

I am a firm believer in informed decisions and I do my best to gather as much knowledge and information as possible before committing to sink a lot of time and money into a project. Believe me when I say that during the last couple of weeks I've been reading a lot of enthusiast forums, watching Youtube videos, browsing retailers of water cooling equipment etc. At first I thought that I would go all out with EK, buying both CPU and GPU blocks, radiators, pumps and reservoir from them but during my information gathering I've come to revise that decision. I'm no long so sure that I would like to only use EK's equipment but I'm not sure what I should be getting. I would like to say that money is not a problem but that's never the case. I do want high quality hardware and I am not afraid to splurge but I would feel a fool if I would pay, say, $5k for a custom loop when I could get almost the same performance for $1.5-2k.

Anyway, here's my questions so far:

1) What brand or brands do you recommend for CPU/GPU blocks, radiators, reservoirs, fittings and possible pump?

2) Regarding pumps, is D5 or DDC the way to go? I've read some interesting things about Iwaki, Little Giant and Danner Mag. Are these even to be considered or are they to much of a headache to incorporate in a loop? How do they perform? Are they quiet? Do I have to get a separate PSU or could I go with a 12-24v converter/step-up instead?

3) One loop or two? I'm wondering if the heat from my video card would have a big enough impact on the temp for my CPU if they are in the same loop. If I go with two 1080 ti, would I be better off temp wise with separate loops for the graphics cards and CPU or could I run everything in the same loop?

4) I've toyed with the idea of utilizing all of the radiator space in the SMA8. That would mean, if I've understood it correctly, that I'd put a 560 and a 280 in the bottom, a 280 or 360 in the front, a 360 in the top and a 120 in the rear. I know it's a bit of an overkill but I do not mind the price. But is the diminishing return on having such an abundance of radiator capacity going to effect the temperature of my system? Can a single D5 or DDC handle two graphics cards, a CPU and all those radiators? Is it better to split my loop in two and divide the radiators between the graphics cards and the GPU?

5) Fans! I've almost always used Noctua in my previous builds. I'm leanings towards using Noctua NF-A12/14 Industrial PPC 2000 RPM PWM as fans. Thoughts on that?

6) Monitoring and controlling. If possible, I would like to utilize an Aquaero 6 XT for monitoring and controlling my loop/pump/fans. My first concern is if it would be able to fit in my case if I decide to go all out with the radiators. My second concern is what accessories to buy. Browsing AquaComputer's webshop I see that I could buy a flow sensor, a temp sensor, a pressure sensor, a couple of Splitty9s for the radiator fans and possible a Farbwerk for the RGB/LED-strip. What are your recommendations when it comes to accessories for the Aquaero 6 XT?

7) Anyone know where I can buy 16mm or 5/8" copper pipe and not being forced into personal bankruptcy? I have found a couple of places but they either sell in lengths of 10-20 meters or they sell 2 meters for a very high price. I'm looking for "raw" copper, not chromed. If it's on coils or straight pipe doesn't really matter.

Thanks in advance!
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wow, this is a lot of questions.

I will start with rotary fittings, bits power, or borrow fittings, period. (nothing else works without leaking)
radiators almost all companies make a useable radiator, I use swiftech QP radiators, and alpha cool monstra radiators, because I like a quite build,
water blocks, I like bits power, XSPC, heatkiller, swiftech, aqua computers, and barrow.
reservoirs, bits power tube reservoirs, a 250mm or larger.(a bubble down for the inside bottom of the reservoir)
for D5 pumps, I like swiftech, koolance, and aqua computers.
D5 pump tops, only bits power.

here are my builds just browse the pics as the threads are quite long.

http://www.overclock.net/t/1615072/cpu-and-radiator-upgrade-on-water-cooled-rig
http://www.overclock.net/t/1573189/serial-vs-parallel-9-6lpm
http://www.overclock.net/t/1584867/tec-chill-box-chamber-build-log

I do try to give a parts list at the start of my build logs.
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wow, this is a lot of questions.
It is. I might overthink things but I want to make sure that I've got everything right. smile.gif
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I will start with rotary fittings, bits power, or borrow fittings, period. (nothing else works without leaking)
radiators almost all companies make a useable radiator, I use swiftech QP radiators, and alpha cool monstra radiators, because I like a quite build,
water blocks, I like bits power, XSPC, heatkiller, swiftech, aqua computers, and barrow.
reservoirs, bits power tube reservoirs, a 250mm or larger.(a bubble down for the inside bottom of the reservoir)
for D5 pumps, I like swiftech, koolance, and aqua computers.
D5 pump tops, only bits power.

here are my builds just browse the pics as the threads are quite long.

http://www.overclock.net/t/1615072/cpu-and-radiator-upgrade-on-water-cooled-rig
http://www.overclock.net/t/1573189/serial-vs-parallel-9-6lpm
http://www.overclock.net/t/1584867/tec-chill-box-chamber-build-log

I do try to give a parts list at the start of my build logs.
Thanks for your help.
I've heard a lot of great things about Barrow fittings but I've been hesitant to buy from Alibaba because I've talked myself into thinking I would be scammed if I order from a seller on that site. smile.gif
Swiftech's radiators look promising, but the 140mm QP only comes in single or dual. A Alphacool Monsta rad sure is nice but that really sounds like an overkill.
I've recently stumbled upon Heatkiller and their blocks looks like high quality stuff that looks amazing. Raystorm from XSPC is probably good but the look does not appeal to me. Same goes for Aqua Computer's cuplex kryos. They might perform well but the looks doesn't do anything to me.

I'll probably go with an Aqua Computer D5 since it integrates well with the Aquaero.
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For blocks I like EK, aquacomputer, and watercool. I love the monsoon reservoir system, so many different combinations and mounting options. Check out the singularity reservoirs too, they look great in a caselabs case. Bitspower is always regarded as the best fittings and they have the largest selection, but they are pricey. I'm using monsoon ev2 fittings in my current build and I'll be using primochill for my next. With a build like this you will probably need some specialty fittings so if you want everything to match perfectly you may want to just stick with bitspower.

For your pump I would go with the D5. Doesn't matter what brand, they're all made by the same company, just rebranded. I would suggest pump/res combo units. The SMA8 looks best with dual loops, kinda feels empty with just one res.

As far as radiator space goes, ditch the rear 120, not worth it and the build will look better without imo. A D5 can handle just about anything and won't have a problem running a single loop, but dual loops will look better.

Noctua fans are fine, the aquero is great, check out the aquero club for more specific help on that.

You can get copper tubing direct from primochill, but its 3/8 or 1/2.
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For blocks I like EK, aquacomputer, and watercool. I love the monsoon reservoir system, so many different combinations and mounting options. Check out the singularity reservoirs too, they look great in a caselabs case. Bitspower is always regarded as the best fittings and they have the largest selection, but they are pricey. I'm using monsoon ev2 fittings in my current build and I'll be using primochill for my next. With a build like this you will probably need some specialty fittings so if you want everything to match perfectly you may want to just stick with bitspower.

For your pump I would go with the D5. Doesn't matter what brand, they're all made by the same company, just rebranded. I would suggest pump/res combo units. The SMA8 looks best with dual loops, kinda feels empty with just one res.

As far as radiator space goes, ditch the rear 120, not worth it and the build will look better without imo. A D5 can handle just about anything and won't have a problem running a single loop, but dual loops will look better.

Noctua fans are fine, the aquero is great, check out the aquero club for more specific help on that.

You can get copper tubing direct from primochill, but its 3/8 or 1/2.

Thanks for your help! Aqua Computer or Watercool seems really high end. I do not really like the look of the Aqua Computer blocks but I do love the Watercool blocks. At the moment I'm leaning towards a Heatkiller IV for CPU and GPU blocks. The Monsoon modular radiator system looks really promising. I'm currently choosing between a Singular Protium, an Aqua Computer Aqualis or a Monsoon modular. They all have their pros and cons and I can't make up my mind which one to get.
I have heard great things about Bitspower. Sure they are a bit pricey, but if you want quality it's gonna cost you. What I do not like about them are the logo and that the color is a bit glossy instead of matte. And some of their products (Deluxe Matte Black and Copper) are missing. smile.gif

D5 it is. I might go with an Aqua Computer with Aquabus interface since I'll be using an Aquaero 6 XT. smile.gif

120 rad is ditched! smile.gif

I've talked to a local plumber today that can get me 5/8" copper tubing. So I'll go with that.
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Check out barrow fitings. Similar to bitspower but mostly logo free designs. In my experience, fittings are fittings, don't concern yourself with "quality". I've used everything from the cheapest Chinese fittings to expensive BP and never had a problem. The oring is the most critical part as that's what makes the seal. I've noticed most of the fittings that I get from china come with really thin orings that I replace with bp or monsoon orings.

Don't forget to start a build log once you get your case in! thumb.gif
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Barrow seems like a nice brand, I've heard that they use the same manufacturer as Bitspower. Barrow has a more matte finish though. I kinda feel lost using Alibaba, but when it's time to order my fittings I'll try to navigate the site. smile.gif

Will definitely start a build log once I get all my components. smile.gif
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Barrow seems like a nice brand, I've heard that they use the same manufacturer as Bitspower. Barrow has a more matte finish though. I kinda feel lost using Alibaba, but when it's time to order my fittings I'll try to navigate the site. smile.gif

Will definitely start a build log once I get all my components. smile.gif

what country are you in?

if it is the US, I use amazon for bits power and barrow fittings. what you will find, is that barrow does not have a great selection of fittings. so I get all the ones I can in barrow, than I get what else I need using bits power.
for compression fittings only, I like koolance compression fittings, there one of the only ones designed to be able to put a wrench on them. I don't need the wrench to get the loop together, I need the wrench to get the loops apart. thumb.gif
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what country are you in?

if it is the US, I use amazon for bits power and barrow fittings. what you will find, is that barrow does not have a great selection of fittings. so I get all the ones I can in barrow, than I get what else I need using bits power.
for compression fittings only, I like koolance compression fittings, there one of the only ones designed to be able to put a wrench on them. I don't need the wrench to get the loop together, I need the wrench to get the loops apart. thumb.gif
I'm from Sweden, but I have no problem ordering from Amazon.

I really liked the look of Koolance, they look really awesome! smile.gif
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I'm from Sweden, but I have no problem ordering from Amazon.

I really liked the look of Koolance, they look really awesome! smile.gif

Hello,

I have been using Koolance for a LONG time now and im very satisfied with the quality and looks. (knocking on wood).

My rig has pretty much all Koolance parts ie cpu block and gpu block as well as the fittings i used Bitspower fittings as well and they are indeed quality however the nut sometimes has issues when sliding over tubes in bends...an issue i do not have with the Koolance nuts since they are much thicker.

I went with their recommended coolant ie Koolance pre mix clear one and its the best pre mix coolant i have used. It will keep your blocks clean even after 3+ years in my case, i opened up my blocks expecting the worst kind of crap but....all i saw was spotless clean see link:

http://www.overclock.net/t/1606466/my-koolance-cpu-380i-after-3-years

I would go with a D5 pump res combo it should be plenty enough to cool cpu + 2 gpu's without struggle ive seen setups that include cpu + 2 gpu's + MB VRM and no issue at all. Plus i can't hear my pump even if its outside the case its really dead silent.

I would start with soft tubing instead of hard tubing much more forgiving and easier to handle but its up to you. If you do use soft tubing go with PrimoChill PrimoFlex Advanced LRT make sure its the LRT version and buy retail 3 meter, some nasty shops will give you the PRO version which is very prone to plasticizer if you order like 1 or 2 meter separate this wont happen with the retail box.

Always use the recommended coolant from any water block manufacturer.
Highly recommend you to leak test your new rig with air pressure. Like this one Aquacomputer Dr. Drop for at least 4 to 6 hours.

I also went with Aquacomputer AMS radiator (tube design instead of flat tube design) no solder flux residue and mine cools like crazy good and super silent since it is geared towards low RPM fans. But its more expensive then most radiators from other brands i just choose it because of the quality and flux less design. See link for more info (last post by me):

http://www.overclock.net/t/1037941/56k-warning-new-aquacomputer-airplex-modularity-system-radiators/270

Success with the new build!
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