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post #11 of 68
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Originally Posted by EastCoast View Post

According to the video your results should be just as good. Remember, these are actual real parts except for the combo pump/heat sink.
The radiator is a real genuine part that is used in or out of a custom loop. The tubing can use standard 1/4 barbs. Just make sure you get the same tubing if you want to expand. The only thing I would suggest you get right up front is some more tubing, 2 angled barbs both of the same diameter, and reservoir and replace the existing coolant with more distilled water and some sort of anti corrosive inhibitor like PT Nuke. Then call it a day.

It's by far cheaper this way and if you want to upgrade to cooling the video card at some future date you already have the tubing and the barbs should be included in a full waterblock (depending on make).

I think your recommendation for the fractal s36 might be the way to go. With it being cheaper and providing similar cooling performance to an expensive custom loop, along with expandability to the gpu, I think we have a winner product over here. Granted, while I haven't watched the video yet due to time constraints, I am gonna take your word for it until I watch it later on. Thanks again for the helpful advice. thumb.gif
post #12 of 68
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Originally Posted by comanzo View Post

I think your recommendation for the fractal s36 might be the way to go. With it being cheaper and providing similar cooling performance to an expensive custom loop, along with expandability to the gpu, I think we have a winner product over here. Granted, while I haven't watched the video yet due to time constraints, I am gonna take your word for it until I watch it later on. Thanks again for the helpful advice. thumb.gif

If the Swiftech H320-X2 is available in your part of the world, look for that. It offers better performance than the S36, has a reservoir, better pump and block and is truly expandable. The S36 pump (made by Alphacool) has less than half the flow and pressure of the Swiftech and completely flops when you add anything restrictive like a GPU block.
post #13 of 68
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Originally Posted by ciarlatano View Post

That "AiO" also happens to be a Swiftech H220, which is pre-assembled open loop parts. Your wording makes it sound as if some Asetek CLC could keep up with a decent open loop.

As far as kits, in terms of value, XSPC kits give you a lot more for the money than EK.

If you looked at the link you would have seen the Corsair H100i is also included. That is the AIO I was refering to.
Also the H220 is far from open loop parts. It is swiftechs own low power pump mounted to a thin copper block not too dissimilar to other AIO's now on the market like Fractals S things. You may be thinking of the H220-X and X2 which do use conventional custom loop parts and are very different things.

The Acetec type AIO's can and do keep up quite closely to open loop parts when tested in similar applications. The H100i was about 2C behind the H220 which was dead even with the Raystorm. The Raystorm has been a good contender with other water blocks for years.

And no, XSPC make some kits that are cheaper for sure but they use lower quality parts that don't last.
Edited by Ashcroft - 9/21/17 at 5:26am
post #14 of 68
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Originally Posted by Ashcroft View Post

If you looked at the link you would have seen the Corsair H100i is also included. That is the AIO I was refering to.

And no, XSPC make some kits that are cheaper for sure but they use lower quality parts that don't last.

Not true. Excepting the bayres kits, the XSPC kits are very high quality and on par with the EK.
post #15 of 68
And the bayres kits are the cheaper ones

Unless you pat more for the DDC or D5 based kits that are equivalent to EK kit prices you get pumps that don't last, cheap fans, and cheap accessories. They cost less for a reason and value for money is normally not at the bottom end of the market in all products.
Edited by Ashcroft - 9/21/17 at 5:02am
post #16 of 68
Love you EK fanboys and your assumptions. Carry on, no need for reality in this thread.
post #17 of 68
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Originally Posted by comanzo View Post

I think your recommendation for the fractal s36 might be the way to go. With it being cheaper and providing similar cooling performance to an expensive custom loop, along with expandability to the gpu, I think we have a winner product over here. Granted, while I haven't watched the video yet due to time constraints, I am gonna take your word for it until I watch it later on. Thanks again for the helpful advice. thumb.gif

this is never going to happen.
so, ask yourself this simple question, has anyone ever sold a Cadillac, for the price of a Yugo?
a good custom water loop for the CPU is going to cost in the range of $500 so if you want a kit that will actually give you similar performance, that kit is also going to be in that price range.

http://www.performance-pcs.com/extreme-rigs-ultimate-water-cooling-kit.html
post #18 of 68
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Originally Posted by ciarlatano View Post

Love you EK fanboys and your assumptions. Carry on, no need for reality in this thread.

So show us this reality then. Which exact kits give us "a lot more for the money than EK"

http://www.performance-pcs.com/xspc-raystorm-ion-ex360-watercooling-kit-intel-amd-am4.html
http://www.performance-pcs.com/ek-kit-s360-premium-watercooling-kit.html

Comparing these two at 199 for the XSPC vs 219 for the EK what is the lot more? They are both pretty low cost and good value. The EK kit includes Vardar fans, tested as some of the best on the market, rather than the cheap XSPC fans. They both include compression fittings. The EK kit gives you a more powerful, upgradable pump/res combo vs the ION. The EK includes the Supremacy MX with its all metal hardware vs the plastic hold down bracket of Raystorm. Both are perfectly good performers.
I'm not seeing a lot more there. Just some slightly cheaper components.

So maybe a bit further up the market?

http://www.performance-pcs.com/ek-kit-l360-watercooling-kit-r2-2.html
http://www.performance-pcs.com/xspc-raystorm-d5-photon-ax360-watercooling-kit.html
260 for the EK vs 277 for the XSPC

This time we get the Raystorm pro with its all metal hardware like the Supremacy MX. Basically identical rads. An XSPC X4 pump vs a DDC in the EK. The glass res is nice in the XSPC but a real DDC vs a knock off D5 will get my money any day. Fittings are equivalent again but again we get Vardar fans vs the cheapo XSPC.
Again I don't see a whole lot more for the money.

Seems more like a pretty close run thing with personal preferences on individual parts having to split them
Edited by Ashcroft - 9/22/17 at 2:49am
post #19 of 68
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Originally Posted by Ashcroft View Post

So show us this reality then. Which exact kits give us "a lot more for the money than EK"

http://www.performance-pcs.com/xspc-raystorm-ion-ex360-watercooling-kit-intel-amd-am4.html
http://www.performance-pcs.com/ek-kit-s360-premium-watercooling-kit.html

Comparing these two at 199 for the XSPC vs 219 for the EK what is the lot more? They are both pretty low cost and good value. The EK kit includes Vardar fans, tested as some of the best on the market, rather than the cheap XSPC fans. They both include compression fittings. The EK kit gives you a more powerful, upgradable pump/res combo vs the ION. The EK includes the Supremacy MX with its all metal hardware vs the plastic hold down bracket of Raystorm. Both are perfectly good performers.
I'm not seeing a lot more there. Just some slightly cheaper components.

So maybe a bit further up the market?

http://www.performance-pcs.com/ek-kit-l360-watercooling-kit-r2-2.html
http://www.performance-pcs.com/xspc-raystorm-d5-photon-ax360-watercooling-kit.html
260 for the EK vs 277 for the XSPC

This time we get the Raystorm pro with its all metal hardware like the Supremacy MX. Basically identical rads. An XSPC X4 pump vs a DDC in the EK. The glass res is nice in the XSPC but a real DDC vs a knock off D5 will get my money any day. Fittings are equivalent again but again we get Vardar fans vs the cheapo XSPC.
Again I don't see a whole lot more for the money.
I haven't used anything other than EK mainly due availability in my country, that said I have never had an issue with EK either, has always been reliable at least for me smile.gif
post #20 of 68
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Originally Posted by toolmaker03 View Post

this is never going to happen.
so, ask yourself this simple question, has anyone ever sold a Cadillac, for the price of a Yugo?
a good custom water loop for the CPU is going to cost in the range of $500 so if you want a kit that will actually give you similar performance, that kit is also going to be in that price range.

http://www.performance-pcs.com/extreme-rigs-ultimate-water-cooling-kit.html

I've seen you post this load off bull before, $500 is completely asinine for a CPU only loop. The only reason is for it to cost that much is if you're spending money on unnecessary and /or overpriced components, epeen or over the top aesthetics.

A good CPU only loop can easily be had for around $300.

Case in point:

Just add a few 45's or 90's depending on your layout and you're golden.
Edited by Gilles3000 - 9/22/17 at 2:59am
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