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7700k vs 8700k vs 7900x vs 1950x

5K views 28 replies 12 participants last post by  chessmyantidrug 
#1 ·
I'm planning on gaming at 3440x1440p whenever acer/asus release their monitors. I'm only on land for 6 months out of the year starting December every year. Instead of trying to keep up with mainstream x700k or x600k platforms I'm thinking it would be better to go for the enthusiast platforms. However which would be better at 3440x1440p the 7900x or 1950x. I have 2 1080's and whatever else in sig rig.
 
#3 ·
1950X is not a gaming CPU. You can game with it but not ideal. 8700K will be the best. You are better off spending more money in GPUs.
 
#5 ·
The video card is more important for that resolution that the CPU. Higher resolutions are harder on the GPU than CPU. If you go Intel, the i7-8700K is probably your best option. If you go AMD, get at least an R5 1600. CPUs with more cores age better, and with so many 6+ core processors available for affordable prices there's not much reason to skimp with an enthusiast system.

You're probably going to want a GTX 1080 or 1080 Ti. You can wait for Volta, but I'm not sure when that hits the market. If you go Pascal now, you shouldn't have a problem selling your video card to help upgrading to Volta.
 
#6 ·
8700k will be the best CPU you can get for gaming that wont' brake the 1k bank

Should be 400 to 500 range on release early Oct

Says to come out 10/5/17?

I have money already ready to buy one would love to see some benchmarks on it
Going to Upgrade from my 2600k @ 4.5ghz to it. I hope I can do 5ghz + on air with it. I might do water but get a smaller pump and not so overkill cooling this time.
 
#7 ·
I would be surprised if Intel releases a mainstream processor priced above $400. I don't expect the release price to be higher than $375. There's no way pricing approaches $500 unless Intel doesn't want anyone buying their processors.
 
#8 ·
Icelake H2 2018. Right in the middle amongst those cpus you listed.

Or

If you cant wait. Sell one of the 1080s and get yourself a 1440 144Hz Gsync monitor.
 
#9 ·
Waiting an entire year for a CPU we know nothing about doesn't make sense.
 
#10 ·
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Originally Posted by chessmyantidrug View Post

Waiting an entire year for a CPU we know nothing about doesn't make sense.
Depends if op is upgrading from current cpu. If she/he is, then it is worth waiting for the 8 cores on a new platform against going for the latest this year (Coffee Lake). That i5 Quad core should still keep up with a 1440 monitor.
 
#11 ·
I only have access to my computer 6 months out of the year December to July mostly. My thought process is instead of catching upgrade cycles on the trailing edge is to get 7900x and keep it for the next 2-3 years. In that time I will probably upgrade gpus when they come out. But for now I have 2 1080's. I know they 8700k is coming out in October but I will only be able to use it for 6 months then ice lake or whatever comes out making it 1 generation behind and I'm back out in the japan/china/Korean seas for 6 months while new stuff comes out. How much difference is a 8700k going to have over 7900x in gaming at 3440x1440p?
 
#12 ·
Firstly, we don't know anything about Ice Lake. We have no idea how many cores those processors will have. Waiting for the possibility of eight cores is silly. We expect Ice Lake to be the second generation of Intel processors manufactured on 10nm lithography, but we don't know if it will be optimized Cannonlake or new architecture.

Secondly, there's nothing wrong with being a generation or two behind. CPUs don't progress quickly enough to upgrade more frequently than every four or five generations. Zen might cause Intel to ramp up their progress, but I doubt it. They've struggled mightily mastering 14nm lithography. Coffee Lake will be the fourth generation on that lithography. Sandy Bridge and Ivy Bridge owners were just recently given a decent upgrade with Skylake and Kaby Lake, which just improved IPC. Coffee Lake is finally giving us more cores. I doubt Intel continues increasing mainstream core count and cannibalizing their HEDT processors. Then again, they gave us Kaby Lake-X, which serves no purpose whatsoever.

A Coffee Lake processor should last you at least five years. If CPUs progress to the point where an i7-8700K would be obsolete in five years, something incredible happened.

Edit: "Obsolete" is the incorrect word. I meant irrelevant. Nehalem and Westmere are obsolete, but still relevant almost a decade after release.
 
#13 ·
The enthusiast platform (7900X and Threadripper) are not what you're looking for when building a gaming focused machine. The extra cores and other features can be very useful for productivity work if you do something that uses those resources regularly, but for gaming performance it is simply a waste of money. In fact in many cases where CPU performance is the limiting factor in a game the mainstream i7's will actually beat the enthusiast platform in frame rates. Given how mainstream and reasonably priced 6c/12t chips have become lately I would at least look for 6 cores if you don't want to upgrade for a while. An 8700k will be your best bet.
 
#15 ·
As with any major product release, reviews won't come out until release day. I don't expect anything earth shattering. It should be Skylake IPC, but with more cores and threads for similar price. There's no reason to spend $320 to $360 on an i7-7700K when the exact same money can get you 50% more cores and threads in a few weeks. If Coffee Lake was compatible with 200-series chipsets, then there wouldn't be anything wrong with going Skylake or Kaby Lake today. But we're talking about Intel, who releases a new chipset with every generation. They even released a new chipset with Devil's Canyon, which they didn't even consider a new generation like Kaby Lake.

In a year, if Ice Lake gives us more cores, you shouldn't have a problem selling your Coffee Lake processor. We don't yet know if Ice Lake will be compatible with Z370. There's talks of a Z390 chipset coming with Ice Lake. If Z370 and other 300-series chipsets support Ice Lake, it will be the first time Intel gave mainstream users a legitimate upgrade path assuming Ice Lake actually delivers more cores. If Z390 will be the only 300-series chipset to support Ice Lake, then Intel just creates more confusion.
 
#16 ·
What's your budget?
 
#17 ·
Budget doesn't seem to matter much if an i9-7900X is an option. Regardless, the i7-8700K is the best option.
 
#18 ·
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Originally Posted by chessmyantidrug View Post

Budget doesn't seem to matter much if an i9-7900X is an option. Regardless, the i7-8700K is the best option.
If money is not an issue, then get rid of that 1440 monitor if its 60Hz and get a brandnew 1440 144Hz GSYNC. For Six months of non-stop gaming.

Sell that Skylake.
 
#19 ·
Have you read the original post?
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Originally Posted by Thiefofspades View Post

I'm planning on gaming at 3440x1440p whenever acer/asus release their monitors.
 
#20 ·
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Originally Posted by chessmyantidrug View Post

Have you read the original post?
Just want to make sure op gets a gsync monitor. What i dont understand is . . . from Skylake to Coffeelake. Heck, there's even a 7700K in the list.

@Op, at least jump a chipset. That Skylake and a Gsync monitor will give you the best experience for that half of the year and maybe visit Seychelles.
 
#21 ·
The Z170 board and i5-6600K can still be sold for a decent amount since they're capable and will be relevant for several years. An i7-8700K will undoubtedly age better. Processors with cores and threads do. Since this isn't your typical upgrade question (older i5 to newer i5), it doesn't get the typical answer (wait a few generations or get a compatible i7). Going from 4C/4T to 6C/12T is meaningful enough to make the investment. Heck, going from 4C/8T to 6C/12T will be worth it. I speak from experience with that.

I don't know to which monitors Thiefofspades is referring, but I'm assuming they will be G-Sync monitors.
 
#22 ·
Ryzen is a good option. Not because it's faster than an 8700k (it won't be), but because future CPUs will be compatible. You can just swap out the CPU in 2 or 3 years, instead of having to reassemble the whole PC and reinstall your OS.

Otherwise, +1 for the 8700k.
 
#23 ·
Subscribed, will read later.
 
#24 ·
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Originally Posted by chessmyantidrug View Post

The Z170 board and i5-6600K can still be sold for a decent amount since they're capable and will be relevant for several years. An i7-8700K will undoubtedly age better. Processors with cores and threads do. Since this isn't your typical upgrade question (older i5 to newer i5), it doesn't get the typical answer (wait a few generations or get a compatible i7). Going from 4C/4T to 6C/12T is meaningful enough to make the investment. Heck, going from 4C/8T to 6C/12T will be worth it. I speak from experience with that.

I don't know to which monitors Thiefofspades is referring, but I'm assuming they will be G-Sync monitors.
With a 1440 Gsync monitor that Skylake i5 will do just fine. Op just needs to stay above 60 fps. With those 1080s above 100 fps even.
 
#25 ·
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Originally Posted by brucethemoose View Post

Ryzen is a good option. Not because it's faster than an 8700k (it won't be), but because future CPUs will be compatible. You can just swap out the CPU in 2 or 3 years, instead of having to reassemble the whole PC and reinstall your OS.

Otherwise, +1 for the 8700k.
X2 for a ryzen build, although it sounds like op is only considering intel. I upgraded my 2500K to a R5 1600 and game on a x34, couldn't be happier, smoother experience all round. Waiting for volta as my 980Ti still nets me decent performance.
 
#26 ·
I'm with my current 2600k

I'm just going to keep my GTX 1070 and my 1tb SSD everything else will be Upgraded to the 8700k when it comes out
Unsure about Ram and Motherboard and even case
I'm not sure I want to water cool as well; I want to some quite that I can OC to 5ghz tho
Still just waiting got a bit over 2k budget to work with so money isn't an issue.
 
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