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Is this thing compatible with vive titles?

yes its compatible with the entire steam vr library, also pimax has their own library, and you can play oculus titles through an app.
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Pimax 8k input: 2screen*1920*1080 or 2 screen *2560*1440
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They're calling it 8k but the actual rendered resolution is either 12.5% or 22.2% of 8k, upscaled to 33.3% of 8k doh.gif

someone needs a new marketing guy
Edited by Cyro999 - 9/24/17 at 10:13pm
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So, what should they call it? Would "7.6K" be fine with you?

It's a non-issue for the singular fact that the actual resolution is explicitly stated in the kickstarter page, and you guys are just complaining about a trivial aspect when all that matters is what the product can actually do.

I mean, I've seen all kinds of nomenclature inappropriately attributed to concepts all around OCN on many different topics. Should we nitpick in every single thread? We could, but I don't see the point, honestly.

No, this is not THE 16:9 VERSION of 8K, simply because it can't be by definition. We get it. But it's irrelevant. No one's being scammed.

This is marketed as 8K the same as the 970 was marketed as 4GB.
The 970 had 4GB memory right? So why nit pick on what the actual amount of memory is being really used.
This is a 4K system, not 8K, not 7.6K, not dual 4K. It gets 4K at 180 frame rates signals, and split them between the eyes.
You don't see the others marketing themselves as 2.4K or 2K or 4K or whatever. And I don't expect them to embellish their resolution for marketing purposes.
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This is a 4K system, not 8K, not 7.6K, not dual 4K. It gets 4K at 180 frame rates signals, and split them between the eyes.
You don't see the others marketing themselves as 2.4K or 2K or 4K or whatever. And I don't expect them to embellish their resolution for marketing purposes.

"4k width" aka 3840, not something that most people would call 4k unless it was UHD (3840x2160)
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"4k width" aka 3840, not something that most people would call 4k unless it was UHD (3840x2160)

Well it is 3840x2160 (at least what they claim).
DCI 4K is 4096x2160, 4K UHD is 3840x2160.

And if what they write is true, that their "definition" of 4K upscaled to 8K, it is basically 2*1920x1080 (their definition of 4K) being rendered and upscaled to "8K".
There is not even the smallest definition in 8K. I'll bet their 5K system is upscaling from 720p.
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I'm rather tempted but I do have some questions - perhaps OC.net enthusiasts could help?

First of all, does anyone know how the displays compare to OLED (especially the higher-end Samsung AMOLED)? Its nice they say its comparable with "very minor" changes in color temperatures and gamut etc... but frankly, I'm not too keen to just take the word of any company without seeing some data and ideally a real world comparison/review.

Next, if I go in for one of these I'm considering the highest end 8K X model, because...well, why not? If I am to understand it correctly, that one has actual native 4K displays for each eye? My only question is, they claim that you need a 1080 Ti or "next generation" GPU and to run it at full resolution I understand that. However, when they talk about the 5K and the "normal" 8K, they mention upscaling, the potential to run at lower resolutions etc.. I assume this is the same for the X, right?

How does this compare to the VIVE in terms of rendering? I see some discussion that the Pimax uses "Brainwarp/ATW/Async Projection" etc.. but that is only an option that it supports, right? Not that it HAS to process images that way? Overall I want to ensure that the experience is really up to its specs, not simply using "tricks" to approximate it. Also, does anyone know how the PIMAX "Brainwarp" compares to SteamVR's ATW/Async Projection and what will happen if a game is made with SteamVR techniques/hardware in mind? They say that its comparable or better, but I have to wonder if that means a game needs to be coded to use Brainwarp or if the headset will auto-magically "convert" it.

They mention a lot of after market upgrades and compatibility with VIVE / SteamVR - this is a main reason I'm interested. How does the 8K X (in the Deluxe edition, which comes with latest generation VIVE lighthouses and controllers if I recall?), compare in terms of functionality. For instance I see it has laser tracking and whatnot, but does it support the VIVE's "camera mode / altered reality" where it has an outward facing camera/sensors capable of say... allowing you to see the room's boundaries, or superimpose a layout of your desk so you can see and pick up your drink? Does anyone know what sort of wireless technology could work (or ideally, come with this. After all they've hit their goal so early.) I recall there is an aftermarket wireless setup for the VIVE that is full performance (TPCast Wireless Adapter) - would the same one work for this PIMAX or if not, will there be anything comparable? Other accessories from the VIVE's Deluxe Audio Strap to the OSVR's enhance face mask (antimicrobial bamboo fabric, enhanced cushioning ) etc... seem to be beneficial, so it would be nice to know exactly how far the PIMAX compatibility will go.

Finally, I see people mention here that Samsung is working on 4K (or 8K) AMOLED made for VR displays. I have to wonder if it would be worth it to buy a comparative "no-name" device for a significant price, versus waiting for the "next gen VIVE" or whatnot. ? PIMAX Looksgreat on paper, but we know the reality can often be different.

Edit: This is also one thing from the FAQ that worries me a little...

"
What is the difference between Kickstarter version and consumer version?

The look and functions are the same. The consumer version will be better packaged and crafted, and the price would be different.
"

We need to pin them down on this big time. Maybe its just a language thing, but we need to know if the KS version is the equivalent of a developer kit, or is it just the first run of a production model. Its one thing if it doesn't come with a fancy box or packaging, but if the actual build quality/components are different... that to me is an issue that needs to be on the front page. In the event it is a "beta/DK" version, with all the modular stuff they're talking about it had better be fully upgradable to consumer-grade, and ideally at a discount.

Thanks!
Edited by Xaeos - 9/25/17 at 2:00am
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I was pretty interested, but then when you look into it, it seems like they're being pretty mysterious about the actual resolution of the device.

The "8k" version has 2 x 4k screens. Fine. But with 1 x DP connector, and it only accepts an input resolution of 1440p and has an inbuilt upscaler. Why? This is the same as the 5k version, except it's not running at the native res. I understand the SDE would be slightly minimised, but it still seems silly.

The "8kX" has 2 x DP connectors and can accept 4k native input and everything below with it's upscaler. But it had a limited production run? Why isn't this the standard version?

They should have just released the "5k" and the "8kX" forget about the 8k non-X version that can't accept a 4k input.
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So, what should they call it? Would "7.6K" be fine with you?

It's a non-issue for the singular fact that the actual resolution is explicitly stated in the kickstarter page, and you guys are just complaining about a trivial aspect when all that matters is what the product can actually do.

I mean, I've seen all kinds of nomenclature inappropriately attributed to concepts all around OCN on many different topics. Should we nitpick in every single thread? We could, but I don't see the point, honestly.

No, this is not THE 16:9 VERSION of 8K, simply because it can't be by definition. We get it. But it's irrelevant. No one's being scammed.

This is marketed as 8K the same as the 970 was marketed as 4GB.
The 970 had 4GB memory right? So why nit pick on what the actual amount of memory is being really used.
False equivalence.

The 970 did not have its 3.5+0.5 memory system explicitly specified in its product page.
    
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False equivalence.

The 970 did not have its 3.5+0.5 memory system explicitly specified in its product page.

So?
Did it have 4GB of memory? Yes.
Was it all accessible? Yes if you push to higher resolution.

After all, is pimax actually 8K resolution? No.
Does it render in 4K? No.
Does it have 5K? No.

If you accept that they are marking it as 8K instead of 4K, than you accept that false advertisement.

If you don't accept the nvidia advertisement but accept the pimax one, that is hypocrisy isn't it?
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I was pretty interested, but then when you look into it, it seems like they're being pretty mysterious about the actual resolution of the device.

The "8k" version has 2 x 4k screens. Fine. But with 1 x DP connector, and it only accepts an input resolution of 1440p and has an inbuilt upscaler. Why? This is the same as the 5k version, except it's not running at the native res. I understand the SDE would be slightly minimised, but it still seems silly.

The "8kX" has 2 x DP connectors and can accept 4k native input and everything below with it's upscaler. But it had a limited production run? Why isn't this the standard version?

They should have just released the "5k" and the "8kX" forget about the 8k non-X version that can't accept a 4k input.

I've done the research:

5K = 5120x1440 input signal and native OLED display setup.

8K = 5120x1440 inpt signal and up-scaled to LCD 7680x2160.

8K X = 7680x2160 input signal and native LCD 7680x2160.


The reason the 8K X isn't the main marketed item is hardly anyone will have the GPU power to run in. Over twice as demanding as the regular "8K" version. We are talking like SLI Volta GPUs there.
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