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Weren't there many debates on OCN where people said 10nm is not a thing and AMD will skip that node and go directly to 7nm?
I guess 7nm is farther than we thought and i do not expect AMD to hit that mark before INTEL. They do not have the resources nor the fabs to do that.
Well, that's pretty much exactly what they're doing. 12nm LP is nothing more than refined 14nm LPP, and 7nm LP is still expected to go into volume production before the end of 2018. Not to mention the 7nm isn't comparably a 7nm node, and the IBM research division acquired a couple years ago should help a lot in general.
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Well, that's pretty much exactly what they're doing. 12nm LP is nothing more than refined 14nm LPP, and 7nm LP is still expected to go into volume production before the end of 2018. Not to mention the 7nm isn't comparably a 7nm node, and the IBM research division acquired a couple years ago should help a lot in general.

Thanks.
How will an upgrade path look then?
I see people already thinking of swapping their current AMD chips which are not even cold from the oven.
 
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probably doesnt use broadwell architecture as it does on Haswell and Skylake, maybe Broadwell has something different in its CPU architecture, or they had wrong numbers for the i5 haswell

Broadwell is just a shrink of Haswell... and the 5960X performs horribly too; really let's use Occam's Razor here and go with where the strongest correlation is. The numbers for 4690K seem accurate relative to 4790K and 6600K. Every CPU with >4C regardless of architecture or clock speed performs far worse than smaller chips with the same or similar architectures even when normalizing for clock speed. Dismissing the data points that don't fit your hypothesis by saying they must be wrong, sounds like heavy cognitive bias
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Broadwell is just a shrink of Haswell... and the 5960X performs horribly too; really let's use Occam's Razor here and go with where the strongest correlation is. The numbers for 4690K seem accurate relative to 4790K and 6600K. Every CPU with >4C regardless of architecture or clock speed performs far worse than smaller chips with the same or similar architectures even when normalizing for clock speed. Dismissing the data points that don't fit your hypothesis by saying they must be wrong, sounds like heavy cognitive bias

Yeah. BW is just a Shrink, Its same as IVY. Nehalem, SB, Haswell, Sky Lake are the "new" architectures.
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7700k at 4.9ghz decimates any ryzen chip at 95% of all games, and all 7700k hit 4.9ghz, vega doesnt even come close to 1080 ti, overclock 1080 ti easily enough (vega oc's like crap) and your looking at 40 fps gains at 1440p on 70% of games..

AMD just does not have the muster to appeal to someone like me who only games. I wish they did, I loved AMD as a kid... but yeah its just sad.

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7700k at 4.9ghz decimates any ryzen chip at 95% of all games, and all 7700k hit 4.9ghz, vega doesnt even come close to 1080 ti, overclock 1080 ti easily enough (vega oc's like crap) and your looking at 40 fps gains at 1440p on 70% of games..

AMD just does not have the muster to appeal to someone like me who only games. I wish they did, I loved AMD as a kid... but yeah its just sad.

gg life.

 

Really? It reduces Ryzen to 10% of its performance? Vega fails because it can't undercut the 1080, not because it doesn't beat the 1080 Ti. It's not even a part of the conversation when it comes to the 1080 Ti. AMD has nothing for that.

 

As to using a PC as a console, yeah, the 7700k stands alone. That's just a fact. Mixed-use scenarios are not at all uncommon, though, and Ryzen offers plenty in gaming without handicapping me in anything else. I'll live without the extra 10 or 20 FPS whilst signifcantly reducing my take-home workload completion times and allowing me to complete lighter workloads during gameplay.

     
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Really? It reduces Ryzen to 10% of its performance? Vega fails because it can't undercut the 1080, not because it doesn't beat the 1080 Ti. It's not even a part of the conversation when it comes to the 1080 Ti. AMD has nothing for that.

As to using a PC as a console, yeah, the 7700k stands alone. That's just a fact. Mixed-use scenarios are not at all uncommon, though, and Ryzen offers plenty in gaming without handicapping me in anything else. I'll live without the extra 10 or 20 FPS whilst signifcantly reducing my take-home workload completion times and allowing me to complete lighter workloads during gameplay.

If 7700K you cant say stand alone. It all depends what resolution you play. 1080p 15%. 1440p 5-10% and 4K - 0%. I would never see the speed difference of 7700K, 1700 or my 3770K at 4K but maybe in 3-4 year if games become more core eccentric the 1700 might be faster at 4K. It is just a matter of time.
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If 7700K you cant say stand alone. It all depends what resolution you play. 1080p 15%. 1440p 5-10% and 4K - 0%. I would never see the speed difference of 7700K, 1700 or my 3770K at 4K but maybe in 3-4 year if games become more core eccentric the 1700 might be faster at 4K. It is just a matter of time.

 

I'm not arguing with that at all. I'm just making a point that even in scenarios where CPU performance is at an absolute premium, Ryzen is far from being 'decimated'. Yes, for most normal GPU-bound users the difference will never be noticeable in practical application.

     
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That depends on quality of the manufacturing.
TSMC are top notch, and they show their ability consistently. So maybe 12nm from TSMC might be able to give AMD that little performance boost by allowing them finally to reduce heat and increase clocks.
You never know until you see it in action.

Other than that, nvidia will also enjoy TSMC new manufacturing process, so in the GPU market, they won't be much of a change.

Nobody said Zen whatever is to be done by TSMC, they clearly stated its was to be done by Global Foundries. You must learn to read more carefully.
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Nobody said Zen whatever is to be done by TSMC, they clearly stated its was to be done by Global Foundries. You must learn to read more carefully.

AMD are going to make a move to TSMC for 2018.
They are already having producing done at samsung alongside with global foundries, and they are gong to add TSMC because global foundries can't make produce enough.
So if they are moving to 12nm in global foundries, I expect them to get some production done in TSMC as well for 12nm, as TSMC already has plans for 12nm mass production for the end of this year.
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