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[WCCF] AMD Announces 2nd Gen Ryzen & Vega Coming Next Year On 12nm

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AMD announced today at the Globalfoundries Technology Conference that it will be transitioning its Ryzen CPUs and Vega GPUs to 12nm LP technology next year. The announcement came via the company's Chief Technology Officer, Mark Papermaster, who confirmed alongside Globalfoundries that 12LP volume production will begin in the first quarter of next year. Second generation Ryzen and Vega products are expected to be available on the market soon thereafter.

AMD had revealed at its FAD event earlier in the year that it will be rolling out two new generations of architectures over the next three years to succeed its Zen CPU architecture and Vega graphics architecture.
Succeeding the 14nm Zen x86 CPU microarchitecture will be Zen 2 and Zen 3 designs built on 7nm and 7nm+. Succeeding the Vega graphics architecture will be Navi and a yet unnamed "next gen" graphics architecture based on 7nm and 7nm+ technology respectively.

Before rolling out Zen 2 and Navi however, the company will be introducing Ryzen and Vega refreshes. Which were originally planned on 14nm+, these products will now instead be made on Globalfoundries' newly announced 12LP node. Whether AMD's upcoming Vega 11 GPU will be based on 14nm technology or part of this 12LP refresh is still unclear.

NVIDIA will also be transitioning its GeForce lineup of graphics cards to 12nm FinFET technology next year. Its new lineup of gaming oriented graphics cards will feature its next generation Volta graphics architecture and will be manufactured at TSMC. This means that no matter which graphics vendor we are talking about we are going to be looking at 12nm silicon across the discrete graphics market next year. PC gamers and enthusiasts should have a lot to look forward to next year.
 
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Originally Posted by Artikbot View Post

The 2018 release has always been Zen+...
Their roadmap doesn't even show a zen+. Zen+ is just a reference/placeholder for future Zen architectures, i.e. Zen 2 and 3. This will most likely be just a straight up port of Zen to 12nm, which is just a refined 14nm processes, meaning it'll be easy work
 
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Originally Posted by geoxile View Post

Guess Ryzen 2 and Navi are 2019. Not really good news imo. Everyone was expecting late 2018, and instead we get refreshes
Ryzen "2"/Zen+ is what this is, and Navi is already known to be at least a year out. We have known what the gameplan for Ryzen was going to be since before launch, Ryzen+1 in about a year with tweaks, bugfixes, and somewhat higher clocks. If AMD can ship a CPU that has a maximum stock XFR clock in the 4.3-4.4ghz range with a few small IPC gains, I'm sure tons of people will be happy with the product.
 
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Originally Posted by geoxile View Post

Their roadmap doesn't even show a zen+. Zen+ is just a reference/placeholder fo future Zen architectures, i.e. Zen 2 and 3. This will most likely be just a straight up port of Zen to 12nm, which is just a refined 14nm processes, meaning it'll be easy work
Fair enough. I do however recall AMD making a distinction between Zen+ and Zen 2 however.

I can't find the roadmaps now though.
 
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Originally Posted by Pro3ootector View Post

32nm to 28nm wasn't pointless.
32 -> 28 was also a SoI to Bulk change so there were major differences even being just a "4nm" shrink. Also the 28nm performed significantly worse in max clock speed potential.

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Originally Posted by Lipos View Post

Who was expecting late 2018?

If we are talking about 7nm for Navi and (Ry)Zen 2 then of course they won't (and most likely can't) launch them in 2018.
Everyone? The roadmap direct from AMD showed a 2018 timeframe for "Zen+/Zen2". That was of course just before the Zen1 launch, but it made people expect that sort of timeframe. And a near 2 year time is plenty to do a minor to moderate arch upgrade for refinements. Now being pushed into 2019 is quite far.
We just have to hope now that the 12nm refresh brings some clock speed improvements with the port.
 
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Originally Posted by Lipos View Post

Who was expecting late 2018?

If we are talking about 7nm for Navi and (Ry)Zen 2 then of course they won't (and most likely can't) launch them in 2018.
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Originally Posted by KarathKasun View Post

Ryzen "2" is what this is, and Navi is already known to be at least a year out. We have known what the gameplan for Ryzen was going to be since before launch, Ryzen+1 in about a year with tweaks, bugfixes, and somewhat higher clocks. If AMD can ship a CPU that has a maximum stock XFR clock in the 4.3-4.4ghz range with a few small IPC gains, I'm sure tons of people will be happy with the product.
They said 7nm products would tape out within 2017 several months ago. Normally tape out to production is 6 to 12 months at most. And GF said 7LP would start volume production in 2nd half 2018, risk production presumably in the 1st half. Signs pointed to 7nm products in 2nd half 2018, especially with rumors that 7LP was even ahead of schedule.

If this is a refresh of Zen then something went wrong. If this is zen 2 then something went REALLY wrong and the 7nm products they said were going to tape out are just gonzo. Also, the slides say this 12nm process is starting risk production in 1st half of 2018, and volume production probably won't be until 2nd half. If we're lucky well see 12nm products in 2nd half of 2018 and realistically 7nm in 2020 simply because they probably won't try to keep a 12 month product cycle.
 
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Originally Posted by JackCY View Post

14 vs 12nm, quite pointless frankly.
That depends on quality of the manufacturing.
TSMC are top notch, and they show their ability consistently. So maybe 12nm from TSMC might be able to give AMD that little performance boost by allowing them finally to reduce heat and increase clocks.
You never know until you see it in action.

Other than that, nvidia will also enjoy TSMC new manufacturing process, so in the GPU market, they won't be much of a change.
 
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Shares of chip maker Advanced Micro Devices (AMD) surged late in today's session, closing higher by 64 cents, or 5%, at $13.76, after CNBC's Jordan Novet this afternoon reported that the company is working with Tesla Motors (TSLA) on an "A.I." chip to direct the company's cars, citing remarks by Sanjay Jha, chief executive of AMD's manufacturing partner, GlobalFoundries.

Jha was addressing an audience at Global's tech conference in Santa Clara, California, Novet relates. Novet describes an unnamed source saying Tesla is currently evaluating initial samples of a processor that uses AMD technology. Novet makes reference to a "custom" effort, which might imply AMD's "semi-custom" business unit, which develops parts for Microsoft (MSFT) and Sony (SNE) game consoles, as well as server chips.

Interestingly, Tesla's chip efforts are run by Jim Keller, the chip legend who was the chief chip architect at AMD for several years and did the main design work for the "Zen" processor family that powers the revived computer chip efforts of AMD, and then left AMD in 2016 for a position with Tesla.

Novet notes that Tesla currently uses parts from Nvidia (NVDA) for self-driving functionality, after having used parts by Mobileye, now owned by Intel (INTC), for several years before that.

Shares of Nvidia closed down $1.51, or 0.8%, at $185.84.

https://finance.yahoo.com/m/acb1fdb1-1423-3684-90a0-4a13679b3fc7/advanced-micro-helping-tesla.html

Hasn't Jim Keller joined Tesla?

Edit: HSA APU fot Ai???
 
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I'd like to point out that Ryzen is built on 14np Low Power Plus. The 12nm process however is 12LP, Leading Performance
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Originally Posted by KarathKasun View Post

Ryzen "2"/Zen+ is what this is, and Navi is already known to be at least a year out. We have known what the gameplan for Ryzen was going to be since before launch, Ryzen+1 in about a year with tweaks, bugfixes, and somewhat higher clocks. If AMD can ship a CPU that has a maximum stock XFR clock in the 4.3-4.4ghz range with a few small IPC gains, I'm sure tons of people will be happy with the product.
This is the Refresh of Zen on 12nm, the question is what will be a refresh for Vega? same 4096SP GPU? unless this improves overclock I dont see Vega close to 1080Ti or any Pascal refresh
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Before rolling out Zen 2 and Navi however, the company will be introducing Ryzen and Vega refreshes
Ryzen 2 will come after this
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Originally Posted by Hattifnatten View Post

I'd like to point out that Ryzen is built on 14np Low Power Plus. The 12nm process however is 12LP, Leading Performance
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Then it weill have enhanced overclock ability at lower power/voltage or
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Originally Posted by kd5151 View Post

The picture does say more than 10% improvement in performance.
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Process improvement for the chip or better performance process?
 
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Just eliminating Ryzen's seg fault issue and fixing it's ram quirkiness would make a Ryzen refresh worth buying for me.
 
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Just eliminating Ryzen's seg fault issue and fixing it's ram quirkiness would make a Ryzen refresh worth buying for me.
The segfault issue seems to be fixed with newer hardware. Havent seen weather it was a chip problem or a board problem, but it seems that newer chips with significantly lower stock voltages do not experience the issue.
 
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