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If the 1070Ti is a cut down 1080Ti..... why wouldn't it have an custom VRM/Cooler out for it? Partners can use the same stuff on it from its previous product. That really shocks you?

The 1070Ti would be a cut-down 1080 using the same GP104 chip but with fewer CUDA cores disabled than the original 1070. The 1080Ti uses the GP102 chip, which is much larger.
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Sapphire tends to come out with really good coolers and boards that utilize both reference and custom designs. I usually get a reference board to watercool, so brands don't matter as much for me. Between my 4890 to FuryX I've used Sapphire, Asus, XFX, Gigabyte, MSI, and Powercolor without any issue.

That said, I went with EVGA for my 1080Ti but got the custom FTW3 as EK makes waterblocks for it and warranty is retained with waterblocks.
post #23 of 49
And they' re still people who defend AMD ? This launch is a a very very bad joke.

Lies, subpar products, unavailability ... A massive mess never seen before.
post #24 of 49
Maybe they're having issues getting it to outperform the reference cards lol tongue.gif
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Maybe they're having issues getting it to outperform the reference cards lol tongue.gif

It's not that the AIBs makers can't do it, it's just that they aren't able to mass-produce pre-overclocked models reliably at this point due to the large amounts of variance between each chip. For every golden Vega that someone is able to significantly undervolt, there's another potato that needs each and every available electron to work properly.

Seriously, this Vega launch has got to be the biggest fustercluck in recent GPU history. Incredibly disappointing performance given its die size and TDP, HBM2 supply issues, deceptive MSRPs with under-the-table kickbacks and forced bundles, etc... I don't even remember Fury having this messed-up of a launch.
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It's not that the AIBs makers can't do it, it's just that they aren't able to mass-produce pre-overclocked models reliably at this point due to the large amounts of variance between each chip. For every golden Vega that someone is able to significantly undervolt, there's another potato that needs each and every available electron to work properly.

Seriously, this Vega launch has got to be the biggest fustercluck in recent GPU history. Incredibly disappointing performance given its die size and TDP, HBM2 supply issues, deceptive MSRPs with under-the-table kickbacks and forced bundles, etc... I don't even remember Fury having this messed-up of a launch.
Isn't Vega pushed to the limits already so there's little to be gained by overclocking?

I'm just going to wait a while until the prices drop a bit I think... hopefully they become more affordable by next year.
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post #27 of 49
That's one of the problems with large chips...
post #28 of 49
Likely little OC room given already high power draw, but this would mean no ability for partners to create faster version with higher prices to pay for additional custom R&D. This is actually a big problem for AMD, if partners don't make money they will demand lower prices from AMD.
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And they' re still people who defend AMD ? This launch is a a very very bad joke.

Lies, subpar products, unavailability ... A massive mess never seen before.

I guess I'll raise my hand and try to defend them even though I run a 980 Ti.

1. Availability was an issue at launch, just like every new gpu release from AMD and Nvidia. Cards have been in stock for weeks. Nobody is buying them because resellers are asking $50-100 over MSRP.

2. What is subpar? Vega 56 is a great performer by handily beating the 1070, and gets even better with the HBM overclocked. Vega 64 trades blows with the 1080 at the expense of 70w after undervolting which practically every Vega owner does anyway. Assuming you game 12 hours a week, that amounts to a power bill increase of $0.41 over the course of a month using the national average for electricity. Buy one less gumball at the grocery store and you have made up for it. tongue.gif

3. What lies? AMD's SEP(MSRP) pricing remains unchanged and their card specifications line up with what was published.




As for board partners working on cards....... they seem enthusiastic. Especially the AIB partners that some are claiming to have little interest because they also sell nvidia cards. If this was true, then why has ASUS felt it important to have their Strix 64 out first? I think its the news outlets desperate for clicks that try to make this launch seem terrible.





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Sapphire has to be enthusiastic because if they do not might as well go bankrupt.
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