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My 7800X can do 4900 without delid under water. Cores are well under 80'C during stresstests. So I really wonder if the 8700K is a much better CPU..

Luckily I got ram used for half the price, CPU was 25% off, and mobo was 6%.. So It is still alot cheaper than a 8700K. :-D

why does 7800x and 8700k exist side by side... im so confused... i think i would prefer the 7800x just because no onboard graphics to mess up any driver issues. hmmm. weird.
    
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why does 7800x and 8700k exist side by side... im so confused... i think i would prefer the 7800x just because no onboard graphics to mess up any driver issues. hmmm. weird.

Quad-Channel RAM, Future proof socket, more PCI-E lanes etc. Better for me.
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why does 7800x and 8700k exist side by side... im so confused... i think i would prefer the 7800x just because no onboard graphics to mess up any driver issues. hmmm. weird.

You can disable onboard graphics completely, never experienced any issues. Nice to have for flashing "dead" GPU's tho. No need for backup card. QuickSync can be good for some people too.

The 8700K will perform better than the 7800X in pretty much everything.

8700K easily hits 4.8 on semi good air. 7800X needs pretty serious cooling for 4.7ish. 7800X draws much more watts.

I expect 8700K to hit 5-5.2 (24/7 Obviously) for most serious OC'ers. Some even more.

Ring bus > Mesh.

I wouldn't go HEDT unless it's i7-7820X, pref i9-7900K or better. For people that really need the cores/threads and/or lanes. In normal workloads and gaming the i7-8700K will be superior in most cases.

SLI/CF is pretty much dead anyway. Most run with a single powerful GPU these days.

On top of all this, Z370 Board + 8700K + 2 DIMMs is going to be much cheaper.
Edited by Lass3 - 9/28/17 at 3:56am
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I don't see most 8700K beating my non-delidded 4900mhz 7800X, unless it is delidded.

Power usage depends on voltage. I need sub 1.300V for 4900.
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I don't see most 8700K beating my non-delidded 4900mhz 7800X, unless it is delidded.

Power usage depends on voltage. I need sub 1.300V for 4900.

That OC is above avg of what you can expect of a 7800X.

I expect to see alot of 8700K's above 5 GHz. Non delid using high end air / AIO and 5.2+ for delid on water.

I considered the i7-7820X shortly, but seeing gaming perf lower than 7700K, even clock for clock, scared me away.
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That OC is above avg of what you can expect of a 7800X.

I expect to see alot of 8700K's above 5 GHz. Non delid using high end air / AIO and 5.2+ for delid on water.

I considered the i7-7820X shortly, but seeing gaming perf lower than 7700K, even clock for clock, scared me away.

I guess we'll have to wait and see. I don't think we'll see that, tbh.

Most reviewers gimped the memory and mesh on Skylake-X. I am running my memory at 3800mhz, and 3200 on the mesh, then 4900 on the cores. So I got a pretty neat OC on my computer at the moment. But yeah. If CFL and the gen after that is good, I'll be willing to drop in a higher-end 7900X or so later in life.

I am getting 140 fps avg. in Battlefield 1, Ultra preset with a OCed 1080TI. I do not recall my 7700K giving me a higher avg. I got a nice 22/25% increasement over my Ryzen setup.
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Kind of obvious. The sole reason these CPUs are hexacores now is because of the fire that Ryzen lit under Intels booty. That said, it's logical for people to discuss how they will match up against one another to have an idea of what people can expect.

Why do you people think that a CPU die can go from design to manufacturing to release in like 3-5 months?
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you should be aware though that coffee lake will get another chipset next year (Z390)

still its a good upgrade (though arguably best with a delid)

Z390 will have what additional features though? In that sense, I probably would wait a bit more then lol
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So basically it is good if you need more that 8 thread, other than that same single core proformance means if you don´t need more than 8 threads, it´s not worth it redface.gif
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Quad-Channel RAM, Future proof socket, more PCI-E lanes etc. Better for me.

Hate to break it to you bud but the 8700k has 40 pcie lanes and u have 28 with the 7800. The socket is not really future proof with intel changing them often and quad channel dram doesnt really help with gaming. And also I know u think ur 4.9ghz is solid and it is ur gaming performance is poorer than a 4.9ghz 8700k because it uses the ring bus and yours has mesh. Mesh hurts game performance quite a bit right now some games more than others. Brush up on it on tech sites if this is news to you.
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