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post #281 of 1137
AlphaC
"At least one review has 200W delta power consumption for the i7-8700k CPU when pushing the limits"

Yup. I run some Linx 0.7.1 on 8700k 4.8 AVX Offset 0
Was over 220W CPU power. Even close to 250W when clock was 5.0
post #282 of 1137
i would say, for my current experience on four low end mobo now, bios matters, not the vrm.
gigabyte hd3/hd3p/ultra gaming have the same vrm components, but different bios version has differnet llc resulting in huge overclocking differential among these three boards.

ultra gaming is having f5 bios, which has way better llc operation than hd3/hd3p which has only f4 bios, i dont know whether f5 must be better than f4, but clearly something is wrong on hd3/hd3p.

i can run 5g core, 4.5g uncore, 3866c17 ddr4 , avx offset=0 on prime95 without any problem on ultra gaming, but not a chance on hd3 and hd3p.
ultra gaming still has terrible vdroop however.


msi gaming pro z370m, is a joke, dont buy it until new bios release(this board is still having the first release bios....no update whatsoever)
post #283 of 1137
These are the prices where I live:
What's a best OC & good performance motherboard (looks & LEDs not so important), considering money wouldn't be a problem and I don't want to pay for "Godlike"

247 USD - MSI Z370 GAMING M5
249 USD - ASUS ROG STRIX Z370-F GAMING
256 USD - MSI Z370 GAMING PRO CARBON AC
266 USD - ASROCK Z370 Taichi
271 USD - ASUS ROG STRIX Z370-E GAMING
271 USD - GIGABYTE AORUS Z370-Gaming 5
307 USD - GIGABYTE AORUS Z370-Gaming 7
312 USD - ASROCK Fatal1ty Z370 Professional Gaming i7
344 USD - ASUS ROG MAXIMUS X HERO
398 USD - ASUS ROG MAXIMUS X APEX

*** 629 USD - MSI Z370 GODLIKE GAMING
post #284 of 1137
They are all going to overclock similarly, of that list id go with taichi or strix-f.
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post #285 of 1137
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Originally Posted by punked256 View Post

These are the prices where I live:
What's a best OC & good performance motherboard (looks & LEDs not so important), considering money wouldn't be a problem and I don't want to pay for "Godlike"

247 USD - MSI Z370 GAMING M5
249 USD - ASUS ROG STRIX Z370-F GAMING
256 USD - MSI Z370 GAMING PRO CARBON AC
266 USD - ASROCK Z370 Taichi
271 USD - ASUS ROG STRIX Z370-E GAMING
271 USD - GIGABYTE AORUS Z370-Gaming 5
307 USD - GIGABYTE AORUS Z370-Gaming 7
312 USD - ASROCK Fatal1ty Z370 Professional Gaming i7
344 USD - ASUS ROG MAXIMUS X HERO
398 USD - ASUS ROG MAXIMUS X APEX

*** 629 USD - MSI Z370 GODLIKE GAMING

APEX should have considerably more overclocking headroom when compared to all the other boards you listed there - especially in terms of memory, owing to it being a 2 DIMM board. Performance should beat even the GODLIKE as far as OCing goes.

Taichi looks like the next best board on that list.
post #286 of 1137
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Originally Posted by XPrecep View Post

APEX should have considerably more overclocking headroom when compared to all the other boards you listed there - especially in terms of memory, owing to it being a 2 DIMM board. Performance should beat even the GODLIKE as far as OCing goes.

Taichi looks like the next best board on that list.

I see on the forum Gigabyte Z370 Gaming 7 is quite praised as well "due to iSL99227B (60A rating)" as per AlphaC
I'm trying to find a great board for gaming actually, so will do basic overclock for CPU (Kraken x62) & RAM (no Nitrogen stuff)
post #287 of 1137
I'm very divided on getting either the MSI Godlike ( available now here in Denmark ) or waiting for the APEX. My 8700k arrives on monday and I have no mobo yet. I do have GSKILL 16GB KIT 4266mhz that it seems that the Godlike can handle even 4x8gb at theses speeds. I do intend to Delid and overclock with a custom loop, so getting a really good VRM is important for me as well.
post #288 of 1137
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Originally Posted by punked256 View Post

I see on the forum Gigabyte Z370 Gaming 7 is quite praised as well "due to iSL99227B (60A rating)" as per AlphaC
I'm trying to find a great board for gaming actually, so will do basic overclock for CPU (Kraken x62) & RAM (no Nitrogen stuff)

If you're not delidding and using a monoblock, or doing anything that constitutes 'extreme overclocking' (LN2) you'll be very well served by the Gaming 7, the Taichi, or the Hero.
Any of those boards will easily take you to the thermal limit on the CPU die if its not delidded, I believe.

So if your build is centered around non-delidded OCing performance with an AIO cooler like the Kraken, those boards are are all pretty much equal as far as the OC on your CPU goes.
You'd probably be fine with the STRIX, even - but I can't recommend them because I don't like the way the bios team for them at ASUS has been acting.

I'm new to memory overclocking, so someone more experienced might have to correct me here, but as far as I'm aware - your cooling setup would bottleneck your northbridge voltage headroom before you exhausted the memory OC capabilities of any of those boards too. So for you, again, all those boards are great choices for your setup.

Really, if you're not using a monoblock or LN2, and just OCing for games, you needn't worry too much about the VRM quality differences between those higher end boards. All will be suitable for your needs. What the APEX has over those boards is increased memory OC potential and potentially higher quality power delivery when you're running AVX loads at 5GHz+ 24/7, or engineering specifically based around LN2 -- if you're not delidding, you don't benefit from any of that, so don't worry about it.

tldr: All those boards are good, if you like the Gaming 7, go for it, it will give you the best you can get out of your setup.
post #289 of 1137
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Originally Posted by tiefox View Post

I'm very divided on getting either the MSI Godlike ( available now here in Denmark ) or waiting for the APEX. My 8700k arrives on monday and I have no mobo yet. I do have GSKILL 16GB KIT 4266mhz that it seems that the Godlike can handle even 4x8gb at theses speeds. I do intend to Delid and overclock with a custom loop, so getting a really good VRM is important for me as well.

I think the release date of the Apex is still guesswork, but some retailers on geizhals were suggesting the board would be with them on the 23rd. I don't know how true that is. I don't think it should be much longer to wait for the Apex though, regardless - October is nearly over, after all rolleyes.gif

I couldn't wait, and I bought the Hero. Reeled in some of my expectation for what I'll achieve with Z370 because of it, at least as far as memory goes. Hoping the next series release will be less rushed, and I'll save my ambitions until then. Still hoping for 5GHz AVX this time around though.

If I were you, I'd wait until Monday - at that point we'll know if that release information is true or not.
post #290 of 1137
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Originally Posted by XPrecep View Post

I think the release date of the Apex is still guesswork, but some retailers on geizhals were suggesting the board would be with them on the 23rd. I don't know how true that is. I don't think it should be much longer to wait for the Apex though, regardless - October is nearly over, after all rolleyes.gif

I couldn't wait, and I bought the Hero. Reeled in some of my expectation for what I'll achieve with Z370 because of it, at least as far as memory goes. Hoping the next series release will be less rushed, and I'll save my ambitions until then. Still hoping for 5GHz AVX this time around though.

If I were you, I'd wait until Monday - at that point we'll know if that release information is true or not.

Thanks. I will wait a bit more.
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