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Samsung evo 850 PRO- IRST or Samsung rapid mode?

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Hey guys I recently upgraded from a 120gb-SP SSD to a 256gb-Samsung evo 850 pro and all I can say is wow what a speed increase, I mean I also did a clean instal so I'm sure that helped some but still even the benchmarks blow away my old ssd.

I have a few questions, 1. Should I be using a storage rapid mode and are there any huge benifits or gains in performance? If so, then should I be using Intel rapid storage technology or should I be using Samsung magican rapid mode? Or both.

Iv currently got Samsung Magican set up on performance mode and I do the performance optimize prolly once a week (tho I'm not really too sure what it does)

2. Currently my rapid mode on the magican software won't work because I have the newest version of the software. I'm using windows 10 pro so the magican software doesn't see which version of windows I have so it won't let me enable rapid mode. Iv read online that I should downgrade one or two versions of magican to get rapid mode to work cuz then it will actually be able to see which windows version I have and allow me to enable rapid mode.

3. Can anybody point me to a download link or tell me the correct version that I should be downgrading to so that I can get rapid storage to work with magician? That is IF I should be using Samsung rapid mode and not IRST

Any help would be great. Thanks guys.
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Can somebody please help me with this or at least steer me in the right direction?

Any help on this subject would be greatly appreciated.
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http://www.filehorse.com/download-samsung-magician/25943/
http://www.filehorse.com/download-samsung-magician/24091/

I'm not sure about this site though. But I've found version 4.9.5 and 4.9.7

Furthermore, magician is only suppose to have a problem with NVM and rapid mode.
The only thing I've known IRST to do is manage power.
Edited by EastCoast - 10/1/17 at 5:32pm
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The newest version of Magician works just fine with RAPID mode and Samsung's drive. RAPID mode was never planned to be enabled for the NVME drives.

Make sure you are using Magician 5.1: http://www.samsung.com/semiconductor/minisite/ssd/downloads/software/Samsung_Magician_Installer.zip
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Thanks guys.. I have the newest version of magician, or at least I thought.. and it still doesn't work because it doesn't recognize that I have windows 10 pro.

I will check when I get home tonight for the version I have, but if I do have the newest version then I will try one of those links you sent me to downgrade to a lower version..

So is using magicians rapid mode worth it? I would assume it would help speed up loading times and Such? What does it actually do?

My SSD is already insanely fast, I benchmark it all the time one of them i use is user-benchmark, my speed is Litterally right at the tip of the highest end of the scale and usually benches me at 99 or 100% which is extremely good. But if rapid mode can help it be even snappier and slightly quicker then I'm all for doing what I need to do to make rapid mode work, it's got it so I might as well use it.


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Found out I was on version 4.5. I coulda sworn it was the latest version. I will upgrade to the latest version so that I can enable rapid.

What does rapid do to the SSD that makes it so much better/faster? J/q of how it actually works.. and if there are any real benefits


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Found out I was on version 4.5. I coulda sworn it was the latest version. I will upgrade to the latest version so that I can enable rapid.

What does rapid do to the SSD that makes it so much better/faster? J/q of how it actually works.. and if there are any real benefits


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IRST is a package of drivers and software to enable you manage a raid array, it is not aimed for single drive set ups, all Samsung rapid is a RAM Cache and doesn't actually do anything to make your SSD faster since any disk benchmark you run is a reflection that disk being cached. If you want to run a RAM cache on a Raid array or NVME there is software available to do this see link http://www.romexsoftware.com/en-us/primo-cache/index.html. Some benchmarks other than disk benchmarks will benefit from a RAM cache particularly those that are repetitive in nature because the benchmark is being read from the RAM and not the drive. The main benefit of a RAM cache apart from inflating benchmark scores is it reduces the amount of reads/writes from your SSD which in theory increases the SSD life span smile.gif Here is an example of Raid 0 cached vs non cached 2x Samsung 960 Pro

Edited by scracy - 10/14/17 at 6:21pm
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Thanks for your response, I actually read about it after making my last post. I had I turned on but after reading about how it worked and that it uses space on my ram to save applications that I use (in which I cant choose what it saves) I decided against it.. Its almost like having artificial speed. I shoulda looked up what Samsung RAPID mode did before I made this post asking how to get it to work lol. Cuz now I have the updated version of magician and now I still don't use RAPID lol.

Oh well, I can see for ppl who maybe do a lot of photo and video editing and rendering why it would be a good thing to have on but for just the typical gamer that I am I think it is in-necessary to have it on. I do have enough ram to prolly make it worth it to leave it on but RAPID only uses 1GB anyhow but I still feel after reading about it that its prolly not worth it??

Also while it was on, I benchmarked my PC again with userbenchmark (I benchmark my pc like once a week to do a little health check, and my workload went down by like 20% this was horrible to see and prolly due to me not having as much ram available? Either way I did not like the results at all from turning it on, and I am not sure being a gamer if I would really see any real world speed differences. I also like do benchmark my PC a lot on HWBOT and other forums so I feel that is just another reason why I shouldn't have RAPID on.


Let me know if I am wrong here by my thoughts on the whole Samsung RAPID option..

Thanks for your input!!
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Thanks for your response, I actually read about it after making my last post. I had I turned on but after reading about how it worked and that it uses space on my ram to save applications that I use (in which I cant choose what it saves) I decided against it.. Its almost like having artificial speed. I shoulda looked up what Samsung RAPID mode did before I made this post asking how to get it to work lol. Cuz now I have the updated version of magician and now I still don't use RAPID lol.

Oh well, I can see for ppl who maybe do a lot of photo and video editing and rendering why it would be a good thing to have on but for just the typical gamer that I am I think it is in-necessary to have it on. I do have enough ram to prolly make it worth it to leave it on but RAPID only uses 1GB anyhow but I still feel after reading about it that its prolly not worth it??

Also while it was on, I benchmarked my PC again with userbenchmark (I benchmark my pc like once a week to do a little health check, and my workload went down by like 20% this was horrible to see and prolly due to me not having as much ram available? Either way I did not like the results at all from turning it on, and I am not sure being a gamer if I would really see any real world speed differences. I also like do benchmark my PC a lot on HWBOT and other forums so I feel that is just another reason why I shouldn't have RAPID on.


Let me know if I am wrong here by my thoughts on the whole Samsung RAPID option..

Thanks for your input!!
The main real world advantage of Rapid or any RAM cache is that it reduces the reads and writes to your SSD which in theory help increase the life span of the SSD smile.gif
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