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I'd suggest looking into mhddfs.
Files are written individually to each disk so if any disk(s) fail only the data on the failed disk(s) is lost. New disks can be added without rebuilding the array.
It is available in most Linux distros' repositories.
Introductory article about mhddfs:
https://romanrm.net/mhddfs

Interesting. What advantages does this provide over JBOD? What about ZFS?
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I never said you had to use "business class" solutions (note that I did say an offsite backup drive OR a good paid cloud backup service). Carbonite and Backblaze still have reasonably priced cloud backups that cost only around $60/year or less. One doesn't even need to use a cloud backup service to have an offsite backup. A simple external drive is all that's needed for an offsite backup. It can be kept in a locked drawer or locker at work or school, a the home of a trusted friend, relative, or neighbor, or in a safe deposit box at a financial institution.

Of course, an external drive is still the best, inexpensive solution for onsite backups.

The cost for extra drives needed for backups are a bargain compared to the price of data recovery that comes with no guarantee of success.

Correct me if I am wrong here, but when I looked into those five dollar a month "unlimited backup" plans, they were always "unlimited backup" with an asteriks. One plan I was looking at actually capped you at about 1TB of storage. I don't think I can back up tens of terabytes of data to a service like that without paying for a business class service.
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I'd suggest looking into mhddfs.
Files are written individually to each disk so if any disk(s) fail only the data on the failed disk(s) is lost. New disks can be added without rebuilding the array.
It is available in most Linux distros' repositories.
Introductory article about mhddfs:
https://romanrm.net/mhddfs

Interesting. What advantages does this provide over JBOD? What about ZFS?
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I never said you had to use "business class" solutions (note that I did say an offsite backup drive OR a good paid cloud backup service). Carbonite and Backblaze still have reasonably priced cloud backups that cost only around $60/year or less. One doesn't even need to use a cloud backup service to have an offsite backup. A simple external drive is all that's needed for an offsite backup. It can be kept in a locked drawer or locker at work or school, a the home of a trusted friend, relative, or neighbor, or in a safe deposit box at a financial institution.

Of course, an external drive is still the best, inexpensive solution for onsite backups.

The cost for extra drives needed for backups are a bargain compared to the price of data recovery that comes with no guarantee of success.

Correct me if I am wrong here, but when I looked into those five dollar a month "unlimited backup" plans, they were always "unlimited backup" with an asteriks. One plan I was looking at actually capped you at about 1TB of storage. I don't think I can back up tens of terabytes of data to a service like that without paying for a business class service.

Carbonite.com has a Basic plan that is $59.99/year (you have to pay for the full year upfront but that amounts to only the equivalent of $5/month). There is no limit on how much you can backup altogether. See Carbonite's FAQs. Your ISP may put a limit on how much you can upload in a month.

Also, you have to manually tell Carbonite to backup files over 4GB. Just right click on the filename, click on Carbonite, then click on Back This Up. If you have a lot of 4GB+ files in a folder, the quick and dirty way to tell Carbonite to back them all up is to right click on the folder, then Carbonite, then Back This Up.

Certain file extensions, such as .exe and .dll are not automatically backed up by Carbonite so you have to tell Carbonite to back them up, same as 4GB+ files. However, when you download them back from Carbonite, the file extension will have changed. All one has to do is replace the file extension with the correct one. However, I can't always remember which file got which extension. I've found that it's easier to just "sandbox" the files for installing a program in a zip file. I save all the installation files of programs I download in folders. I zip the all the files in each download. Carbonite will then automatically backup the .zip file.

The asterisk you referred to merely states you need to use a Business Plan to back up Windows Home Server. All other current Windows OSs are supported by the Personal plans.

Backblaze is pretty much the same as Carbonite.

Crashplan's Small Business Plan is more expensive than Carbonite's and Backblaze's personal plans but have the advantage that all deleted files are versioned forever, unlike Carbonite and Backblaze, which retain deleted files for only 30 days. Also, Crashplan has a version for Linux, unlike Carbonite and Backblaze which are limited to Windows and Mac.
     
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tbh, backups are like insurance. You pay for it and hope that you never use it.

Online
Pro - Low upfront cost. No maintain
Con - Need to find a good plan for your need. Slow upload/download (depend if your plan willing to send HDDs). May change ToS while you are using it

Offline
Pro - Fast backup. No limitation on file size. Privacy
Con - High upfront cost. Need to maintain.
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tbh, backups are like insurance. You pay for it and hope that you never use it.

Online
Pro - Low upfront cost. No maintain
Con - Need to find a good plan for your need. Slow upload/download (depend if your plan willing to send HDDs). May change ToS while you are using it

Offline
Pro - Fast backup. No limitation on file size. Privacy
Con - High upfront cost. Need to maintain.

Exactly!

Good cloud backups are fairly easy to find. I've already referred to two of them that are reasonably priced as well as a third one that is better but more expensive. All three allow unlimited amounts of data to be backed up.

One gets notified of changes in TOS before they occur and the service may not put them into effect until your current subscription expires. When CrashPlan decided to eliminate the person plans, they offered generous discounts and support to people to encourage them to switch to Carbonite. They are also offering to switch current personal plan users to their Small Business plan for free for the rest of their current subscription and give a 75% discount for the next year.

To negate some of the cons of both kinds of backups, I use a blend of both kinds. I have a set of four backup drives for each data drive in my computer. Two of each set are kept onsite and the other two are kept offsite (my safe deposit box at my credit union). I swap out the offsite and onsite drives no less than once a month.

If I lost all of my data on my computer and all of my onsite backup drives, I would be able to quickly recover most of my data from my offsite backup drives. However I would lose any data created or changed after I put the offsite backups into my safe deposit box so I maintain a Carbonite account to permit recovering any data missing from my offsite backups. If I relied on Carbonite alone for my offsite backups, it would take weeks to recover it all of them.
     
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Personally I went for the best of both worlds. I have both Crashplan Business as well as onsite and offsite physical backups.

 

My main data NAS is always setup to back to an onsite external WD Duo Book. My always online Intel NUC Media server hosts Crashplan, as such any data changes are replicated to the cloud immediately and of course it keeps my locally deleted data as well, meaning if I ever make a serious boo boo I am relatively covered. Further to this I have another external HDD that gets bought onto site monthly, I do a data dump and then it is returned offsite. As my onsite HDD and Crashplan cover me well, I am happy with only doing monthly data dumps to the offsite external HDD, it is more of a convenience thing doing it monthly in reality. 

 

I do not have anything against cloud services personally, If you are super security conscious then you can always provide your own local encryption before it is uploaded to the cloud. I think the price for cloud storage through Crashplan is great, I pay £10 per month per device. As it is my media server acting as the middle man I only need to pay one subscription. £10 a month for truly unlimited storage as well as deleted versioning is a good deal in my eyes.

 

My broadband plan has no limits on upload or download, so you would obviously need to make sure your BB plan is up to the task. Depending on your upload speed, with cloud storage you will obviously have the time delay before having an up to date cloud storage while all your data uploads. However after that it will be just the changes you have made that will upload which wont take any time at all. 

 

One thing I say to everyone is to always have at the very least an onsite backup, if you want to do it properly then always have an offiste backup, whether it be physical or cloud....or even both as I do. That way I sleep well lol.

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Personally I went for the best of both worlds. I have both Crashplan Business as well as onsite and offsite physical backups.

My main data NAS is always setup to back to an onsite external WD Duo Book. My always online Intel NUC Media server hosts Crashplan, as such any data changes are replicated to the cloud immediately and of course it keeps my locally deleted data as well, meaning if I ever make a serious boo boo I am relatively covered. Further to this I have another external HDD that gets bought onto site monthly, I do a data dump and then it is returned offsite. As my onsite HDD and Crashplan cover me well, I am happy with only doing monthly data dumps to the offsite external HDD, it is more of a convenience thing doing it monthly in reality. 

I do not have anything against cloud services personally, If you are super security conscious then you can always provide your own local encryption before it is uploaded to the cloud. I think the price for cloud storage through Crashplan is great, I pay £10 per month per device. As it is my media server acting as the middle man I only need to pay one subscription. £10 a month for truly unlimited storage as well as deleted versioning is a good deal in my eyes.

My broadband plan has no limits on upload or download, so you would obviously need to make sure your BB plan is up to the task. Depending on your upload speed, with cloud storage you will obviously have the time delay before having an up to date cloud storage while all your data uploads. However after that it will be just the changes you have made that will upload which wont take any time at all...

As I stated earlier, I have a similar backup scheme that combines physical and cloud backups. My current subscription with Carbonite is running out early March 2018. I'm strongly considering switching to Crashplan's new Small Business plan since I plan on switching to Linux by the time Win 7 reaches EOL. I also like the idea of infinite versioning. That alone might justify doubling the cost of a cloud backup.
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...One thing I say to everyone is to always have at the very least an onsite backup, if you want to do it properly then always have an offiste backup, whether it be physical or cloud....or even both as I do. That way I sleep well lol.

I totally agree with that! Even one backup is better than none (again, RAID and mere cloud storage are not backups!). Pity I can't rep you!
     
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Haha oh the days of getting repped, many years ago now lol but thanks. I think you will enjoy Crashplan as it is painless and very simple to setup, their online and mobile app interface is also very easy to use for viewing backups, retrieving files as well as checking the status of everything. I can't really fault them.

One suggestion I do have is that you may want to take up a subscription with Crashplan now and start your uploading while your Carbonite subscription is active. This gives you some overlap prior to Carbonite expiring, just a thought as I know large data set uploads can take a good while.

I hope you get everything sorted the way you want it.
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Haha oh the days of getting repped, many years ago now lol but thanks. I think you will enjoy Crashplan as it is painless and very simple to setup, their online and mobile app interface is also very easy to use for viewing backups, retrieving files as well as checking the status of everything. I can't really fault them.

One suggestion I do have is that you may want to take up a subscription with Crashplan now and start your uploading while your Carbonite subscription is active. This gives you some overlap prior to Carbonite expiring, just a thought as I know large data set uploads can take a good while.

I hope you get everything sorted the way you want it.

Thanks. I know how long it can take to make large uploads. Carbonite is already fairly slow and I hear...er...read CrashPlan can be even slower (of course, that was for the soon to be defunct personal plan).
     
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Haha oh the days of getting repped, many years ago now lol but thanks. I think you will enjoy Crashplan as it is painless and very simple to setup, their online and mobile app interface is also very easy to use for viewing backups, retrieving files as well as checking the status of everything. I can't really fault them.

One suggestion I do have is that you may want to take up a subscription with Crashplan now and start your uploading while your Carbonite subscription is active. This gives you some overlap prior to Carbonite expiring, just a thought as I know large data set uploads can take a good while.

I hope you get everything sorted the way you want it.

Thanks. I know how long it can take to make large uploads. Carbonite is already fairly slow and I hear...er...read CrashPlan can be even slower (of course, that was for the soon to be defunct personal plan).

I find the upload to be acceptable in my situation.
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Good to know. Thanks!

If I decide to go with CP's SBP(and I probably will), I'll probably wait until early December to install the trial version so, when I have to start paying for it, the annual billing will come in January. that will give me almost three months to get my uploads done before Carbonite goes away (I have to limit myself to only 1TB/month of total activity on my ISP now; "bless" you, Cox).
     
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Windows 7 Ultimate 3 x Asus VG248QE Vizio VO320E 32" TV Logitech G510s 
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ASUS Xonar Essence STX Virtual 7.1 Channels 24-... LSI 9211-8i HBA card HooToo® HT-CR001 3.5" PCI-E to USB 3.0 Multi-in... StarTech HSB220SAT25B 2 Drive 2.5in Trayless Ho... 
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Samsung 850 EVO 4TB SSDs Samsung 950 Pro 512GB m.2 SSD boot drive Noctua NH-D15S Cpu cooler Win 7 Ultimate 
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Kingston HyperX 32GB (8 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDR... 128GB Samsung 840 Pro SSD 4TB Samsung 850 EVO SSD 4TB Samsung 850 EVO SSD 
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Windows 7 Ultimate 3 x Asus VG248QE Vizio VO320E 32" TV Logitech G510s 
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AudioOtherOtherOther
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