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No mouse has the G303 buttons, if i could i'd put those buttons on every and everything in my life that required buttons. Logitech nailed those buttons better than i stroke bae on a friday night after dinner.

I'd put those buttons on my fridge, smoke detector, xbox, every mouse, monitor, elevator doors. Literally everything. Lol
I'd be willing to give it a run, 76 grams. If i could get one out here in Cali.
Were the buttons in G303 consistent quality? All I know is that the G303 I had, had the best buttons I've ever tried, and both RMB and LMB felt and sounded the same.

Every G Pro I've had on the other hand, had different feeling and sounding RMB/LMB, worst ones not even remotely close to the G303 feel.
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DM1 pro S buttons are not thaaat stiff. But they are still bad, and very loud.
I do not enjoy them for work or games that require constant clicking like moba/path of exile at all.

Good omrons for me outside Logitech and Steelseries 310 which are the 2 best by far atm is mice like Roccat KPM (I loved the clicks on those, have 3 of them and all are very good, kpoe however not so much)
I personally prefer 310 clicks over logitech, however the 2 mice itself are way to big for me ;/

Totally missed the minos X5, looks kinda interesting.
120mm length is perfect for me, 88g is ok.
Hope its released soon so we can see some reviews about it.
Edited by Nivity - 9/29/17 at 12:44am
post #33 of 87
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My dm1 pro s is 100% fine. I have the glossy version and my buttons sure are not stiff. I could have gotten an absolute perfect copy, but i have 0 of the issues reported. Mouse is absolutely fantastic.

I've got the glossy one as well. Buttons aren't exactly stiff on my copy (as in Zowie stiff) but still comparatively difficult to spam. My impression is probably related to me having used nothing but Logitech mice for the past five months straight. Aside from that I agree though, the DM1 Pro S is great.
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so out of all this no recommendations for the Sensei 310?
A most excellent mouse most certainly fine for FPS and most certainly Ambidextrous

Highly recommended.
    
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so out of all this no recommendations for the Sensei 310?
A most excellent mouse most certainly fine for FPS and most certainly Ambidextrous

Highly recommended.

^ iz really gud
post #36 of 87
G900 is about as ambidextrous as you can get but it's a little above your weight requirement.
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so out of all this no recommendations for the Sensei 310?
A most excellent mouse most certainly fine for FPS and most certainly Ambidextrous

Highly recommended.

If the shape fits you I would agree the Sensei 310 is the best ambi on the market.
For me it just way to fat, Sensei was perfect. But they made the 310 fat af and made it useless for me personally.
If it had the sensei weight and if it was 90g as the Sensei raw that would be perfect, but yeah, rip biggrin.gif
post #38 of 87
The same requirements would yield no result be it ambidextrous or not.

The closest you can get is G102/203/Pro, G403 and the new SS 310s. The rest I would not even bother with and they are much harder to find in shops.

And for me personally, most these are too small and not fat enough. For Asian market though the sizes are alright as people have smaller hands, but other markets, mice makers need to wake up and start making proper sizes.
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DM1 and Revel got horrible buttons however imo.

Coming from Zowie buttons they're very manageable tongue.gif
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There is literally only one mouse that has all of the things i need and it took well over a decade of looking.
Luckily it only costs 25 dollars. So i bought three of them just in case i have to go another decade with them. Decent, average build quality that's comparable to mice cost twice as much.
It's not perfect, but almost no mouse is. There is always something wrong, even on expensive mice. Has 3310, good enough for me. I play Quake nearly every day just fine with it.

Side buttons forward and out of the way. Main thing. Has to have at least one, and preferably only one side button on the RIGHT in the right spot towards the front of the mouse ( not the middle) Left side button i pretty much hardly ever use but if it were to be perfect it would be back farther than the right side button and lower but still out of the way. Basically a custom offset design.

So i only use the Right side button with my ring finger in fps games as my thumb is my control/anchor ( quasi claw finger tip grip) so left side buttons is useless.. So it's just my forward button for my browser, or other hotkeys in programs.
For this reason i was stuck on a Microsoft laser mouse 6000 for like 6 or 7 years because of that, it was supposed to be just something temporary till i found something else, preferably optical, but i never did. Before that i used the same WMO for like 6 or 7 years. Piece of crap really. They were ok for the time playing at 800x600 or 1280x1024 with 400dpi, but they are crap by comparison today. And they were loud and creaky, with crappy side buttons with too much play. I'm talking about the around 1998/1999 ambi version. Not the 3.1 or whatever non ambi ones i don't care about..

Basically all non ambi mice are useless to me. Side buttons on the left are uselss to me. In fact i've not owned less than a 5 button mouse without a right side button since the late 90's.. and in 19 years i've only owned 3 mice. The late 90's WMO, to a Laser 6000, not great, but not bad, honestly built like a tank since i still have it and played probably 10's of thousands of hours of every kind of shooter, mmo, arpg, rpg, on it, including taking down Diablo countless hundreds of times Diablo2 and 3. ect. to the mouse i have now which i've just been using for a little over a year. So 3 Mice in about 18/19 years. Not three models, multiple copies. But three actual mice.

So that's how narrow my options are.

And i like a heavy mouse. So all this talk about light mice just annoys me. Light mice feel cheap and are just too ...light. I like a heavier mouse on smooth cloth pad, has speed, but more control. Not so light i could flick it off my desk into the wall across the room with one finger.
I also never gave much of a crap about a mouse cable. They all are fine to me. Never noticed they are even there let alone had a problem with one. I suppose i wouldn't want a cloth coated one if i were to have a choice, plastic rubber whatever. Fine.

So this thing has everything i need, and especially the side buttons in the right spot, a perfect mouse wheel, and a comfortable shape and width. Fully programmable, every key, even the dpi button. DPI button in the perfect spot, not too high, and smooth feeling easy to hit as another bound hotkey if needed. I use it as a profile switch. Onboard memory for up to 6 profiles. Smooth fine click mouse wheel like an expensive fountain pen. Smooth scroll with slight bumps, not noisy raky plasticy sound.

lol, and it's only 17.99 on Amazon now.
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00NR6V4P4/ref=twister_B01N30QAVH?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1

Even at 25 dollars it;s worth it, and what this tells me is a lot of mice are way overpriced because this is equal or better in function and features than most Steelseries or Zowie or Razer, though the later is not saying much. Not saying Steelseries or Zowie are bad per se, i like some of their shapes, but side buttons i could only deal with if i had too but not ideal, and they are just basic no frills mice - not a bad thing for some, but i like everything to be programmable and have customization because i use it, but they cost more or much more than this one, some have the same sensor even or similar sensors, and most don't have even close the the features this has for the money..

Literally my only other close second choices were the Mionix 7000 that has "some" of the same features but not all and costed way more, and honestly doesn't feel like its actually any better, the shape was weird, the mouse wheel feels lame and is low and just doesn't feel right. in a weird spot. Razer Tiapan. I like the shape low height and size, buttons were in a 'ok" spot but never bought or ever will buy Razer personally. My friend goes through them like socks. They feel flimsy and cheap like you could crush them into dust in one hand. Plus proprietary software drivers, way overpriced...dare i say junk.

Did i mention the mouse wheel? I can't say enough about it. The mouse wheel on this is dream worthy, to me, better than most mice. Maybe not high end Logitech with left right tilt made of metal nice, but really good, perfect for me really..
Slight tactile bump but smooth scrolling feel. Not loud or creaky, perfectly grippy smooth rubber, with no knobby annoying humps on it. Almost totally silent while scrolling obnoxiously fast up or down.

The main left right buttons clicks are medium stiff, maybe more because i hold the mouse somewhat towards the back. But i like a little stiffer than say Logitech or some Razer clicks as they are too light feeling i would be constantly misclicking.
The left and right side buttons are like the mouse wheel button. Superb, no pre travel, resistant but clicky. Not loose at all, not easy to misclick at all. Also tapered / shaped and located exactly perfect for me as no other mouse ever before.

Fully programmable, Every single button, even the Dpi switch. I use this and profiles to the fullest for games and 3d programs.

Onboard Memory, up to 6 profiles, no drivers, software doesn't have to run all the time. Can assign profiles to programs at launch, up to 3 only but...
Profile colors for the mouse wheel, basically rgb, any color any shade.
Macros, Combos, Endurance report ( how many clicks on each button over the life of the mouse ) more stuff than that i'll never use, it can set an alarm rolleyes.gif

Smooth lux feeling rubber shell coating, i've used one for a year daily no real sign of wearing through..
5g weights, 4 or 5 of them, i use them all, i never took them out because felt perfect out of the box. Nice weight, for me.
Rubber Cable and Gold plated USB jack.
Software is pretty good, easy to use, Works.
Price.


Negatives. Two of the three i bought has some minor build quality / consistency issue. Which is basically almost any mouse by any manufacturer.
On one, the mouse skids were not exactly placed on properly in their respective "reservoir" so they gather dust.
On the other the mouse wheel has some minor left / right play / rattle, not terrible but just not as "perfect" as the other two.
Shell seam is not perfectly smooth/flush, at least on one, unnoticeable as it's not anywhere your hand or fingers touch generally. Only realized it as i analyzed it.

Litterally the worst thing about it is that the back Logo is super bright Yellow and not changeable with the rgb sliders in the software. So you're stuck with yellow. Which is not bad but it's on full brightness all the time and it';s pretty bright. I black sharpie it out.
Looks wise, not that i really care, but it has a weird "R" logo on it that seems to mean nothing or not need to be there. Otherwise it looks pretty slick. Love the frosted chrome look side buttons and dpi switch against the matte rubber coating.

3310 spin out ? Not sure, i have had this mouse spin out, but really not sure if it's the sensor at all actually or the default mouse wheel down function that is conflicting with game input, default function (universal scroll in the software) like when you press it in your browser you get a multi arrow and can scroll the page in all directions, like the move tool in photoshop.

But once i reprogrammed the mouse wheel down to another function ( a keyboard weapon Key or whatever in games ) it never happened again, unless i forgot to switch to my game profile and am using my browser profile. So that's what i really think it is. Though i have read about 3310 spin out and it does "spin out" to where the camera is looking down at the floor and spins uncontrollably and i have to alt tab.

But as far as the OP question. Yeah Ambi users are the outcasts of mouse design. And if you are super picky as well? Well then you are double screwed. Every time i see a mouse review on youtube of an ambidextrous mouse they complain about the right side buttons. It's a friking ambi mouse. That's the entire point of it. Stop reviewing Ambi mice and complaining about the side buttons.

It annoys the hell out of me.

I haven't had or used anything less than a 5 button "Ambi" mouse with buttons on the right in 19 years and it's really not an option to not have it, and yes i'm right handed.
So i may be the only person to ever like this mouse at all, but at least somebody finally made it. It's my time damn it. I admittedly bought three of them due to price and possible "cheapness". But that seems to be far from the case.
Certainly no worse build quality that mice that can cost 3 or close to 10 times as much at this price.
Edited by KGPrime - 9/29/17 at 11:46am
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