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At this point it's safe to say, for now, that the 1070 TI will have absolutely no effect on 1070 pricing.
As it's starting to look...the 1070 TI is the entry level enthusiast card you were looking for.

Wow, beating a 1070 in time spy by what? 1100+ something points. Dat gap!

http://www.guru3d.com/news-story/nvidia-gtx-1070-ti-3dmark-benchmark-results.html
Edited by EastCoast - 10/19/17 at 8:24am
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At this point it's safe to say, for now, that the 1070 TI will have absolutely no effect on 1070 pricing.
As it's starting to look...the 1070 TI is the entry level enthusiast card you were looking for.

Wow, beating a 1070 in time spy by what? 1100+ something points. Dat gap!

http://www.guru3d.com/news-story/nvidia-gtx-1070-ti-3dmark-benchmark-results.html

maybe they will bump the price up of the 1080? My EVGA 1070 cost about $530 CAD or about $425 USD...there is not much room for the TI in between that. Either way i will use the EVGA step up if the TI cost's the same as what i just paid.
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Nice, it performs slightly better than my 980 Ti from 2015 thumb.gif

Looking forward to see OC potential
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I wouldn't say I'm angry, I would say I'm livid.

I have been PC - Commodore PET, C64, ST, IBM Compatible. How long have you been PC?

The 1070 TI should fit in between the 1070 and 1080 at the current prices.

C64/128.

Your argument is invalid because the 1080 Ti should be $350 if you compare it to Fermi-era and prior big die GPUs. If it takes a 1070 Ti to make you livid, you are not looking at the big picture of GPU prices (where every performance tier has doubled or more in price over the past 5-10 years). Instead seem to be getting hung up on the difference between 25% and 30%.

1050/Ti should be $80/$100, 1060 should be $130, 1070 should be $180, 1080 should be $220, 1080 Ti should be $350, Titan XP should be $500. On the pre-titan price scale, 1070 Ti should be $280-$300... pretty close to where the 1070 was targeted at.
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You know what though?
Something wrong with a supposedly mid-range 1070 card with less then 2000 cuda cores when the higher end stuff starting in the mid 2000 cuda range. And the enthusiast range in the 3000 cuda core range. How can 1070, which is supposed to be what 3rd best card have 1920 cuda cores less then the top end? That is a grand canyon gulf of a gap there!

Something wrong with that. Something way wrong with that. That 1070 was never a real 1070 in my eyes. More like a 1060 or something. Straight up. Even if there is no competition, folk gotta see that. Don't they label that on the box?

Edit:

This supposedly 1070ti is more inline for what a 1070 should have been to me. What more needs to be said?
Problem is that 1080 (@2560CC)ain't up to snuff either though. As it lags behind the 980TI (@2816CC) in cuda cores. If anything, from an arch. standpoint the 1080 should have been superior to the 980ti going from an old gen to a newer one. IMO.
I'm following the cuda core to fill rate to get a better pic of how these skus come to light. To me, the raw deal comes in the 1070. This new 1070ti may in fact be from better binned chips but I believe that 1080 is the true 1070TI. As it still falls behind the 980ti in cuda core count 2816. The true 1080 should have been just north of the 2816 cuda core count. Be it 3072 or something else. You really don't need a X or XP variant and just go directly to the 1080TI.

Drivers will play a factor in all this. But I find it hard to believe that drivers for what is to be called a 1080 is on par/in the ball part with a 980ti but that's what folk believe.

smile.gif


What are you smoking man? Even the 1070 ties or slightly beats a 980 TI in nearly every scenario, and the 1080 is ~25% faster on average than a 980 TI. Cuda Cores don't mean squat if you aren't comparing the exact same generation! 1,000 Pascal cores is NOT equal to 1,000 Maxwell cores, that should be pretty obvious; and fill rate is a directly dependant statistic determined almost wholly by TMU's and clock speed (in fact you can go to like evga.com and notice that the same tier card, say a gtx 1080 will have higher fill rates on their SC versions vs the normal, and the FTW may be even higher etc... that little ~50mhz clock speed changes it, that's how insignificant fill rate is in most situations) A GTX 970 has HALF the fill rate of a 780 TI at 109 vs 210 (not to mention half the cuda cores at 1,664 vs 2,880 on a 780 TI) but yet a GTX 970 pretty much ties with the older 780 TI in most scenarios. This is simply due to architectural changes and such.

Plenty of things you don't really see on the specs sheet of a card have a great effect on its performance: new memory compression techniques, larger/faster VRAM, updated API/Drivers, new shading/lighting/post processing etc... techniques, etc...etc... And you can't decide that "the 1080 is the true 1070 TI" just because it has less cuda cores than last generations 980 TI flagship lol. Again, cores don't matter (especially outside of generations) PERFORMANCE does. And as mentioned there are nearly innumerable ways to increase GPU performance without jacking cuda cores to hell (which if you paid attention you'd see there HAS been a substantial raise in core counts at equivalent tierings. The GTX 980 had 2,048 cores, the 1080 moves up to 2,560, a 25% increase in cores for an equal tier/priced card. The same happens elsewhere, GTX 1080 is 3,584 cores vs 2,816 on 980 TI a 27% increase, with the TITANs also getting a 25% increase.) Not sure what you're going on about frankly.
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C64/128.

Your argument is invalid because the 1080 Ti should be $350 if you compare it to Fermi-era and prior big die GPUs. If it takes a 1070 Ti to make you livid, you are not looking at the big picture of GPU prices (where every performance tier has doubled or more in price over the past 5-10 years). Instead seem to be getting hung up on the difference between 25% and 30%.

1050/Ti should be $80/$100, 1060 should be $130, 1070 should be $180, 1080 should be $220, 1080 Ti should be $350, Titan XP should be $500. On the pre-titan price scale, 1070 Ti should be $280-$300... pretty close to where the 1070 was targeted at.


I think your memory of Fermi-era and prior is a bit fuzzy. The very first TITAN card (keplar 600 series) was still a $1000 card, so you can't include that at all in this scenario first off, especially as 200,400 etc... series didn't even have a TITAN, it had an x80 card that die-size wise was partway between the size of a current x80 card and current x80 TI card. That being said, using your logic it'd be far more accurate so say that a 1080 TI (due to the x80 TI of modern times being a bit higher/equivalent to the regular older gen x80 in die size and core count differences etc..) should be $500, the 1080 should be below that at $350, 1070 below that at $220, 1060 at $180, 1050 TI at $130 and 1050 at $100.

This fits perfectly with launch date pricing of Fermi cards: https://www.anandtech.com/show/4344/nvidias-geforce-gtx-560-top-to-bottom-overclock You'll see here that the unusually cheap GTX 460 went for $160 whereas the updated 560 went for $199; i paid $185 for my Gigabyte 660 back in the day which reflects launch pricing pretty well too; so a ~175-180 USD price for x60 cards matches perfectly, and therefore the rest would seem solid as well.
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What are you smoking man? Even the 1070 ties or slightly beats a 980 TI in nearly every scenario, and the 1080 is ~25% faster on average than a 980 TI. .

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Nice, it performs slightly better than my 980 Ti from 2015 thumb.gif

Looking forward to see OC potential

Hey darkledeals, Lass3 would disagree with your assumption there.
Nuff said.

OH BTW Atari 2600, Commodore 64, Amigo, PB series with 1 gig of ram.
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Titan XP won't be $500 so long as Quadro Drivers are allowed on it.

A Quadro P4000 with GP104 & 8GB VRAM costs $700-800 and the Quadro P5000 with GTX 1080 level specs but 16gb GDDR5X costs about $2,000 to $2,500.

GTX 1080 Ti 11GB GDDR5X at ~$560-620 <--- not right now it isn't
GTX 1080 8GB GDDR5X at ~$450-500 (include cost premium of GDDR5X)
<-- RX VEGA 64 is supposed to be here
GTX 1070Ti 8GB at $380-420 <--- GTX 1070 Ti is making things happen since custom cooled RX VEGA 56 is nowhere to be found
<-- RX VEGA 56
GTX 1070 8GB at $270-330 <--- GTX 1070 Ti is making this happen , sort of due to downward price pressure
(massive gap)
<-- RX 580 8GB
GTX 1060 6GB at $180-220 <--- 3GB version MSRP is what 6GB version should have been
<--- RX 570
GTX 1050 Ti 4GB ~ $130
GTX 1050 2GB at $100-110
<-- RX 560
GT 1030
<-- RX 550

seems about right , you can shave off 30%-40% off launch pricing assuming Volta launches with that sort of performance boost.

You can't expect a GTX 1070 at $180... there's nothing to warrant that when AMD doesn't have anything that would make it $180. $300 maybe if you go by end of life GTX 970 / RX470 prices x 2.

If we use GTX 1060 as a baseline, a GTX 1050 should be less than half the price but the board's fixed costs offset this. The GTX 1060 was pitched vs the RX480 and RX580 which were supposed to be ~$220 cards.

When you account for official USA BLS inflation , G20, and Euro zone inflation, $500 GTX 480 to today would be ~ $570. However, China's inflation is closer to 23% , which would mean about $620.
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Hey darkledeals, Lass3 would disagree with your assumption there.
Nuff said.

OH BTW Atari 2600, Commodore 64, Amigo, PB series with 1 gig of ram.
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lol. Well reviews for the cards say otherwise so I would challenge his asumptions tongue.gif (not to mention he's talking about those synthetic FS scores for the 1070 TI, not the 1070 or 1080 like you and I were. Furthermore, in those scores the 1070 TI is only a few percent below the 1080 and is still ~20%+ faster than a 980 TI)

https://hothardware.com/reviews/custom-geforce-gtx-1080-round-up-with-asus-evga-and-gigagyte?page=5

(This is a Reference/Founders 1080 and 1070 competing against a TITAN X which is faster than a founders 980 TI. So the same results apply to custom 1080/1070 vs custom 980 TI as they both overclock roughly the same distance from reference to custom)

Shadow of Morder = 1080 is 27% faster than GM100 at 1440p and 20% faster at 4K

1070 is 5.6% faster than GM100 at 1440p and 3.6% faster at 4K


Thief = 1080 is 25.5% faster than GM100 at 1440p and 25% faster at 4K


1070 is 5.5% faster than GM100 at 1440p and equal at 4K


Hitman = 1080 is 30% faster than GM100 at 1440p and 30.6% faster at 4K

1070 is 5.7% faster than GM100 at 1440p and 3.2% faster at 4K


Ashes of the Singularity = 1080 is 27.2% faster than GM100 at 1440p and 28.9% faster at 4K (All Batch Average)

1070 is 6.6% faster than GM100 at 1440p and 8.2% faster at 4K (All Batch Average)




Ok. Different review, Anandtech this time. This time it's reference 1080/1070 vs reference 980 TI


Battlefield 4 = 1080 is 28.3% faster than 980 TI at 1080p, 25% faster than 980 TI at 1440p and 31% faster than 980 TI at 4K

1070 is 7.5% fater than 980 TI at 1080p, 7.7% faster than 980 TI at 1440p and 5.2% faster than 980 TI at 4K


The Witcher 3 = 1080 is 29.7% faster than 980 TI at 1080p, 31% faster than 980 TI at 1440p, and 30.6% faster than 980 TI at 4K

1070 is 6.2% faster than 980 TI at 1080p, 5.4% faster than 980 TI at 1440p, and 4.4% faster than 980 TI at 4K



I can go on.
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