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post #191 of 497
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Originally Posted by Glottis View Post

He is right, you know? Witcher 3 looks even better than that "marketing material" image. Forza 7 does indeed feature very basic downgraded environment visuals to be able to run at 4K 60FPS on XBX. Simplistic 2D trees, poor track details, headlights only illuminate track when it's completely dark, not during late evening racing and so on. I get a sense that you, as well as most people posting in this thread don't even play Forza 7 and are here just to troll and look for controversies.

Sorry hes not right. Why would you compare a third person rpg action game to a racing sim game for graphic quality. They are two totally different like apples and oranges... On top of that graphic quality doesnt mean the game sucks. They still use simplistic 2d textures even in W3. Keep trying to justify why this game isnt a game or just sucks(insert xbox port or whatever excuse) doesnt change the fact of the game performance. Every argument here for nvidias performance is junk. Just like many people said Vega will not get better performance with driver updates/optimizations. AMD never got any sympathy for poor dx11 driver overhead(including myself yelled at them for this).

The sheer fact that vega can compete or beat the 1080ti is pretty telling that performance is there. It doesnt have to be about what brand is superior but more about the prospect of good competition.

I dont play racing sim games myself, but i do hope we see more titles where vega can compete and maybe even challenge volta on some level. Why hate on it? I certainly dont wish nvidia to be a bad performer for anyone.
post #192 of 497
Driveclub on pc, then I might care
post #193 of 497
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Originally Posted by Glottis View Post

He is right, you know? Witcher 3 looks even better than that "marketing material" image. Forza 7 does indeed feature very basic downgraded environment visuals to be able to run at 4K 60FPS on XBX. Simplistic 2D trees,
All games use those, especially if you're not going anywhere near them. Creating games is an allocation of resources, and if you're driving 100mph+ it doesn't matter if the tree is 2D or 3D visually. It's typically done in racing games and there is nothing wrong with it. That would be like complaining about no 3D skycrapers being present in a game that takes place in oceans only.
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poor track details,
Compared to what? Witcher 3 doesn't even have tracks. If you're gonna make comparisons, at least say things that make sense.
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headlights only illuminate track when it's completely dark, not during late evening racing and so on.
How can you illuminate something that is already illuminated? I can also play this game... Wanna see?
Witcher 3 barely has any reflections, while Forza 7 has a bunch of them.
Witcher 3 doesn't really have mirrors and these are extremely graphically intensive.
Witcher 3 barely has any light sources at all. A single car in Forza 7 has more than a whole scene in Witcher 3.

See how easy and actually retarded it is to throw such statements around? Forza 7 is one of the best (if not THE best) looking racers around.
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I get a sense that you, as well as most people posting in this thread don't even play Forza 7 and are here just to troll and look for controversies.
Oh. And do you play Forza? If not, why are you here too? If you do play it, then go play it and spare us your fumbling, otherwise we all get the sense that you're here just because of salt.
Edited by NightAntilli - 10/4/17 at 6:33am
post #194 of 497
Looks like the mind-share that the 1080 ti is king of the hill is fully lost with all the opposition opposing the RX series in this thread with:
-strawman/tin foil theories
-absurd ideologies
-rampant counterintelligence <-LOL, it's no conspiracy the RX series actually did beat 1080 TI in Forza 7. Even Nvidia admitted to it!

IMO, the only way that Nvidia will get any footing is to spend money on getting Forza 7 on DX11 only. Like they did was Quantum Break....It's the same exact scenario. AMD cards do well Quantum Break using DX12/MS Store. QB is put on steam using DX11 and nvidia cards are on top. IMO there is no driver fix for this. But we will see.

But there is also more news coming that in the days to follow there is the possibility that we are going to see leaked 1070 TI benchmarks that might, gasp, include Forza 7. The possibility is so real that it's going to not only obliterate a 1070.
But also, come close to/ tie/bet 1080. Which will make it the go to card of the mid-range stack! Many will wake up and see that that 1080 was just a mid-range card.
post #195 of 497
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Originally Posted by NightAntilli View Post

All games use those, especially if you're not going anywhere near them. Creating games is an allocation of resources, and if you're driving 100mph+ it doesn't matter if the tree is 2D or 3D visually. It's typically done in racing games and there is nothing wrong with it. That would be like complaining about no 3D skycrapers being present in a game that takes place in oceans only.
Compared to what? Witcher 3 doesn't even have tracks. If you're gonna make comparisons, at least say things that make sense.
How can you illuminate something that is already illuminated? I can also play this game... Wanna see?
Witcher 3 barely has any reflections, while Forza 7 has a bunch of them.
Witcher 3 doesn't really have mirrors and these are extremely graphically intensive.
Witcher 3 barely has any light sources at all. A single car in Forza 7 has more than a whole scene in Witcher 3.

See how easy and actually retarded it is to throw such statements around? Forza 7 is one of the best (if not THE best) looking racers around.
Oh. And do you play Forza? If not, why are you here too? If you do play it, then go play it and spare us your fumbling, otherwise we all get the sense that you're here just because of salt.
I'm having a hard time trying to understand end goal of your posts, are you defending Forza 7's simplistic downgraded visuals only because AMD wins in this game at 1080p vs Nvidia? Is this how AMD fanboys roll usually? I've been out of the loop of forums and GPU wars so I guess you "got me".

Not sure why are you so fixated on Witcher 3, it was just an example, interesting and good one at that. I can give you direct comparison if you so want. Project Cars 2 has full dynamic 24 hour day cycle, full dynamic weather cycle for any condition, any season of the year for each and every track. Forza 7 only has a handful of tracks that only 1 or 2 static weather conditions. PC2 has 3d trees, better track detail, better lighting, better particles, more cars on screen, more detailed cars on track, I can go on and on.

Heck, even Forza Horizon 3 which runs on same engine has most of dynamic systems that FM7 lack entirely, and runs better for most people.

Yes, I'm Forza player since the first game and I'm somewhat disappointed with the latest game, all the cutbacks and downgrades. Not even mentioning disgusting loot box situation.

I'm really confused as to why AMD users are celebrating victory here, even if there is a victory, it's really a sad pathetic one.
post #196 of 497
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Originally Posted by EastCoast View Post

Looks like the mind-share that the 1080 ti is king of the hill is fully lost with all the opposition opposing the RX series in this thread with:
-strawman/tin foil theories
-absurd ideologies
-rampant counterintelligence <-LOL, it's no conspiracy the RX series actually did beat 1080 TI in Forza 7. Even Nvidia admitted to it!

IMO, the only way that Nvidia will get any footing is to spend money on getting Forza 7 on DX11 only. Like they did was Quantum Break....It's the same exact scenario. AMD cards do well Quantum Break using DX12/MS Store. QB is put on steam using DX11 and nvidia cards are on top. IMO there is no driver fix for this. But we will see.

But there is also more news coming that in the days to follow there is the possibility that we are going to see leaked 1070 TI benchmarks that might, gasp, include Forza 7. The possibility is so real that it's going to not only obliterate a 1070.
But also, come close to/ tie/bet 1080. Which will make it the go to card of the mid-range stack! Many will wake up and see that that 1080 was just a mid-range card.
Oh look it's you again. I'm not sure why you keep going on about Quantum Break, but here it is running in 4K DX12 Win Store version. 980Ti won Quantum Break DX12. Simple as that.

post #197 of 497
I think those 2d forza 7 trees going by at 9 fps would be pretty hilarious if it weren't your rig.
post #198 of 497
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Oh look it's you again. I'm not sure why you keep going on about Quantum Break, but here it is running in 4K DX12 Win Store version. 980Ti won Quantum Break DX12. Simple as that.

Higher avg (1 fps) and same min is basically the same because who cares about averages when minimal is what ruins a game. Don't know when this chart was benched but it's not unlikely that the Fury X has finewined more than the GTX 980 Ti.
post #199 of 497
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Oh look it's you again. I'm not sure why you keep going on about Quantum Break, but here it is running in 4K DX12 Win Store version. 980Ti won Quantum Break DX12. Simple as that.


Just let it go, some people really need to justify their $699 RX Vega that's slower than a regular 1080...smile.gif
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post #200 of 497
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Originally Posted by maarten12100 View Post

Higher avg (1 fps) and same min is basically the same because who cares about averages when minimal is what ruins a game. Don't know when this chart was benched but it's not unlikely that the Fury X has finewined more than the GTX 980 Ti.
AMD fine wine and Nvidia gimping has been debunked by various publications and youtubers.
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Just let it go, some people really need to justify their $699 RX Vega that's slower than a regular 1080...smile.gif
You are right, funny that people who are so happy about this "win" aren't even playing the game or care about it. This is Ashes of the Singularity all over again.
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