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Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't the title explicitly say Forza 7? I was unaware it said PUBG or Battlefront 2, making those relevant here.
It's relevant, because multiple people made claims about how 1080Ti days are numbered, how Vega 64 magically started to perform much better in other games except Forza 7.
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It's relevant, because multiple people made claims about how 1080Ti days are numbered, how Vega 64 magically started to perform much better in other games except Forza 7.

Who made those claims and why should they be taken seriously?
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It's relevant, because multiple people made claims about how 1080Ti days are numbered, how Vega 64 magically started to perform much better in other games except Forza 7.

Who actually said this? Everyone knows 1080ti is faster in general, but if you want to argue a case for 1080ti days numbered then look no further than Nvjdia themselves. It wont be long and they will release a new gpu. Any currently released gpu has its days numbered as it is normal procedure.

People arent even making sense in this thread with all these things that have nothing to do with Forza 7...
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Vega 64 can never beat 1080 Ti unless you make a new game engine which uses all the tech Vega 64 has and run FP16.
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Who actually said this? Everyone knows 1080ti is faster in general, but if you want to argue a case for 1080ti days numbered then look no further than Nvjdia themselves. It wont be long and they will release a new gpu. Any currently released gpu has its days numbered as it is normal procedure.

People arent even making sense in this thread with all these things that have nothing to do with Forza 7...

Just look at 980 Ti vs 1070/1080 and say 1080 Ti days are numbered. You can at least number days 1080 Ti being a top card while Vega 64 will always be a dog. Fury X did not get any days. It was hyped the same way and 6 months after it launch AMD was hard working on Polaris. Now Fury is completely forgotten and nerfed. That is why I do not trust AMD with Vega 64.
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Just look at 980 Ti vs 1070/1080 and say 1080 Ti days are numbered. You can at least number days 1080 Ti being a top card while Vega 64 will always be a dog. Fury X did not get any days. It was hyped the same way and 6 months after it launch AMD was hard working on Polaris. Now Fury is completely forgotten and nerfed. That is why I do not trust AMD with Vega 64.
Situation with Fury X vs 980Ti is very interesting. People predicted that Fury X will fine wine, but that never happened. Both cards still trade blows at lowers resolutions, but Fury X craps out at higher resolutions due to 4GB VRAM bottle neck.
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Vega 64 can never beat 1080 Ti unless you make a new game engine which uses all the tech Vega 64 has and run FP16.
Just look at 980 Ti vs 1070/1080 and say 1080 Ti days are numbered. You can at least number days 1080 Ti being a top card while Vega 64 will always be a dog. Fury X did not get any days. It was hyped the same way and 6 months after it launch AMD was hard working on Polaris. Now Fury is completely forgotten and nerfed. That is why I do not trust AMD with Vega 64.

Thats' really neither here nor there in this topic though. If it were titled "Vega: performance you can trust", I could see your point, but alas it's not. It's simply about what's possible on the hardware. It's nothing that need trust from you nor anyone else. It's like a thermometer stating it's 72 degrees outside, then you say you don't trust the outside temperature (not the thermometer mind you). You don't need to trust that it's mild outside....it's just is what it is. We don't need to go into whether summer or winter is better, that would be pointless given the context, much like it's pointless to go into which is better the 1080ti or vega 64 given the context of the thread.

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Perhaps the benefits of amd gpus in consoles is the reason. Game highly optimized for AMD @ 1080p for the consoles. Less work put into higher resolutions, less optimized, more bottlenecks.
Maybe, although, Forza 7 is supposedly optimized for the Xbox One X which is 4K.
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Situation with Fury X vs 980Ti is very interesting. People predicted that Fury X will fine wine, but that never happened. Both cards still trade blows at lowers resolutions, but Fury X craps out at higher resolutions due to 4GB VRAM bottle neck.
And what would have happened if the 4GB was not a bottleneck? The card did in fact FineWine, if you compare the initial performance with recent performance. Before, just at the launch of the Fury X, the 980 Ti was constantly wiping the floor with it, and now it's more of an advantage for the Fury X on average (without OC), bar specific situations. You are right about the 4GB being an issue, but, Vega does not have the same RAM limitation. And Vega has more features than the nVidia GPUs, meaning they will definitely be able to keep up with the times better. Ultimately the shift to heavier compute rendering will happen as well, because the traditional way is too bandwidth heavy. Pages will also be supported more and more to mitigate this issue, but, Vega does this automatically already in hardware.

Will it ever reach a 1080Ti? Only if developers flip the switch, meaning, choose to optimize for Vega and not optimize for the 1080 Ti, the opposite of what is generally happening now, which will not easily happen due to nVidia's mind share.

Fury X 4K performance relative to 980 Ti just after launch;

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For other resolutions;
https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/AMD/R9_Fury_X/31.html


Fury X 4K performance relative to 980 Ti at Vega launch;

perfrel_3840_2160.png

For other resolutions;
https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/AMD/Radeon_RX_Vega_56/31.html
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Maybe, although, Forza 7 is supposedly optimized for the Xbox One X which is 4K.
And what would have happened if the 4GB was not a bottleneck? The card did in fact FineWine, if you compare the initial performance with recent performance. Before, just at the launch of the Fury X, the 980 Ti was constantly wiping the floor with it, and now it's more of an advantage for the Fury X on average (without OC), bar specific situations. You are right about the 4GB being an issue, but, Vega does not have the same RAM limitation. And Vega has more features than the nVidia GPUs, meaning they will definitely be able to keep up with the times better. Ultimately the shift to heavier compute rendering will happen as well, because the traditional way is too bandwidth heavy. Pages will also be supported more and more to mitigate this issue, but, Vega does this automatically already in hardware.

It's not fine wine if performance was robbed from Fury X because of bad drivers during first 2 years, which is most likely what happened. It just means people who purchased it had to use it with gimped performance, until eventually it might have reached its peak performance, meanwhile 980Ti users enjoyed peak performance from day 1.
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Will it ever reach a 1080Ti? Only if developers flip the switch, meaning, choose to optimize for Vega and not optimize for the 1080 Ti, the opposite of what is generally happening now, which will not easily happen due to nVidia's mind share.
Optimizing for 1080Ti means optimizing for Nvidia entire GPU range, means optimizing for 70% of market share. Why would developers prioritize 17% of market? AMD contracts, that's pretty much the only reason, like it happened with Ashes of the Benchmarkality.

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It's not fine wine if performance was robbed from Fury X because of bad drivers during first 2 years, which is most likely what happened. It just means people who purchased it had to use it with gimped performance, until eventually it might have reached its peak performance, meanwhile 980Ti users enjoyed peak performance from day 1.
Where do you people get this stuff? It's like someone makes something up and it is repeated indefinitely. It wasn't bad drivers. It was the games that changed because the newer drivers didn't improve performance of the older games;



Fury cards still have not reached their peak performance, and I wonder if they ever will, considering something like the R9 390 also never really reached it in a broad spectrum. Closest is still Doom Vulkan & Dirt 4 Rally.
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Optimizing for 1080Ti means optimizing for Nvidia entire GPU range, means optimizing for 70% of market share. Why would developers prioritize 17% of market? AMD contracts, that's pretty much the only reason, like it happened with Ashes of the Benchmarkality.

Which is why I said it will not easily happen. It would be in the best interest of everyone if it did though, so that we can reach closer to 50/50 market share, or 60/40 at least. But AMD will have to beat nVidia at their own game for things to shift, which means at least equal performance across the board, with at least equally as good power consumption, lower price, and more powerful marketing than nVidia, all while having only a fraction of the budget available. And when I dislike that people defend nVidia at all times, especially coming into threads like this to trash something that at least stretched its legs in a single instance, I'm the bad guy for being pissed at them.
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Who actually said this? Everyone knows 1080ti is faster in general, but if you want to argue a case for 1080ti days numbered then look no further than Nvjdia themselves. It wont be long and they will release a new gpu. Any currently released gpu has its days numbered as it is normal procedure.

People arent even making sense in this thread with all these things that have nothing to do with Forza 7...

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Thats' really neither here nor there in this topic though. If it were titled "Vega: performance you can trust", I could see your point, but alas it's not. It's simply about what's possible on the hardware. It's nothing that need trust from you nor anyone else. It's like a thernometer stating it's 72 degrees outside, then you say you don't trust the outside temperature (not the thernometer mind you). You don't need to trust that it's mild outside....it's just is what it is. We don't need to go into whether summer or winter is better, that would be pointless given the context, much like it's pointless to go into which is better the 1080ti or vega 64 given the context of the thread.

Some people are just severely emotionally compromised. You can tell when they rush into a thread with limited scope (like this one) and start tilting at windmills.
     
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