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I always figured AMD lost money with that trick on the Phenom IIs. I personally had 3 different X2s and they all unlocked and OC'd considerably (C2 and C3 ones), keeping me from ever needing to consider paying for a full blown quad, because they always were full blown quads anyway wink.gif

Maybe it does make more sense for underdogs to use these tactics. Maybe yields are improving and now they have more fully functional dies than they know what to do with.

You must have got lucky. I had numerous chips and they were all unstable with cores unlocked.
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You must have got lucky. I had numerous chips and they were all unstable with cores unlocked.

Same here, had a few X2 550's come into my possession and none unlocked at all (unstable or screen corruption at boot). Most were also meh overclockers.
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post #23 of 29
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Sounds like an AMD stunt to increase chip sales, just like the old core unlocking in the Phenom II days.

Its a proven tactic.

Perhaps, but I think it more likely given the current circumstances that it was just a production mistake. Of course I'll reconsider my statement if the extent of "golden tickets" extends beyond a single week of manufacturing at a single plant, though.
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Sounds like an AMD stunt to increase chip sales, just like the old core unlocking in the Phenom II days.

Its a proven tactic.

I always figured AMD lost money with that trick on the Phenom IIs. I personally had 3 different X2s and they all unlocked and OC'd considerably (C2 and C3 ones), keeping me from ever needing to consider paying for a full blown quad, because they always were full blown quads anyway wink.gif

Maybe it does make more sense for underdogs to use these tactics. Maybe yields are improving and now they have more fully functional dies than they know what to do with.

They don't "lose money" by doing this. By your logic, does intel lose a butt load of money by selling Core i5's which are basically i7's with disabled HT and cache? Do they further lose money when the strip ECC support and sell their CPU's as i7's rather than Xeons?

The demand for cheaper CPU's has always been much higher than expensive ones, especially when you consider the law of diminishing returns. Add to the fact that these cut down cpus tend to be minor defects, recycled and salvaged silicon, they wouldn't purposely "lose money" if they think they can easily sell the entire chip at enthusiast/high end prices when there is much bigger demand for cheaper cpus
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I was 2/2 with an 550 and 555.

They are both still in use as full quads to this day.
    
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Nah cuz, i'm sleepin on this liken Z.  I tried the silicon lottery with the 555 (didn't work but i overclocked it and keep it moving, hehe).

 

I have to have visual confirmation, 3 forms of ID, urine sample and my moms got to be there to say she sees the exact same thing, and she is not a laymen. 

 

If OCN members get it done, then i'm the next passenger on that wagon.

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post #27 of 29
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I was 2/2 with an 550 and 555.

They are both still in use as full quads to this day.

I had about 3 or 4 Phenom II X3 720 BEs, a few random Phenom IIs and a Sempron 140 and I never had any unlock.
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They don't "lose money" by doing this. By your logic, does intel lose a butt load of money by selling Core i5's which are basically i7's with disabled HT and cache? Do they further lose money when the strip ECC support and sell their CPU's as i7's rather than Xeons?

The demand for cheaper CPU's has always been much higher than expensive ones, especially when you consider the law of diminishing returns. Add to the fact that these cut down cpus tend to be minor defects, recycled and salvaged silicon, they wouldn't purposely "lose money" if they think they can easily sell the entire chip at enthusiast/high end prices when there is much bigger demand for cheaper cpus

Your logic is interesting. My claim was that AMD might have lost money due to selling chips with features too good for their price range, thereby causing prospective buyers who might could have been convinced to pay money for a more expensive model, to instead opt for the cheaper one. Your analogies seem to be suggesting the opposite. Losing money by selling chips with stripped down features, not ones comparable to the better model, which I do agree would be absurd since this is obviously how it is done now. I think it equally absurd that it is an argument for anything here.

If the demand for cheaper CPUs is so super high as you suggest, so high that it doesn't actually matter if "whoops, looks like our six cores are actually mostly eight cores too lol", then why even have the lower end model to begin with? Why not just sell the high end model at the low end price?

I don't understand the part about the cut down models for defects, either. If it were really true that they couldn't sell the best model at the lowest price due to large numbers of defects, then they wouldn't be selling a bunch posing as the low end model still advertising low end specs. If it turns out my assumption that there really were a large percentage of chips being sold as the cheaper model aren't true, then my fault was with that assumption, not with the logic proceeding from there.
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I had about 3 or 4 Phenom II X3 720 BEs, a few random Phenom IIs and a Sempron 140 and I never had any unlock.

I was thinking about asking if your chips were X3s. The X3 models did tend to be selected from a pool that had actual defects (ironically, since theoretically they should be more expensive), whereas the X2 (what I was talking about) seemed to be the whole deal.
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