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I am pretty sure the future APP's will require a random set of movements of the head and blinking, so blink left 3x and right 4x, as it scans your face, so even video of other faces won't help...

thats right bb, who else wants to come at me? ye ye!

Sounds better than some of the captchas I'm already forced to endure from CloudFlare.

Don't get me started on miserable, misbegotten, no good for nothing, cottonpickin', stinkin', rotten, idiotic, CAPTCHAs! The sadistic clowns (that make Pennywise look like Big Bird in comparison), may they roast, who come up with those abominations should have to spend eternity having to solve those...things!
     
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It used to be printed on SSN cards "Not to be used for identification purposes". As the system wasn't exactly designed to be secure from the get-go.

What's "funny" is the same Government that says not to use SSI cards and numbers for ID is the one that uses SSI numbers for ID on Medicare accounts and cards. Most (if not all) States no longer use SSI numbers for drivers' licenses numbers.
     
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White House plan to nuke social security numbers is backed by Equifax's ex-top boss
https://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/10/04/white_house_plans_to_ditch_social_security_numbers_as_ids/

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We have no idea of Joyce's opinion of the endorsement, but what we do know is that he floated the notion in a speech given to a Washington Post-sponsored cybersecurity conference on Tuesday. Joyce suggested using a "modern cryptographic identifier" – presumably a hash or public-private key pair or something – to identify individual US taxpayers rather than the usual nine digits.

Former Equifax CEO Richard Smith followed a similar path, but in a less-favorable forum – on Tuesday, he was giving testimony to the US House committee investigating the litany of failures that led to his credit-check agency leaking 145 million Americans' social security numbers and other sensitive personal data. The same biz that just won a US$7.5 million contract to help Uncle Sam identify taxpayers, funnily enough.

Edited by EastCoast - 10/4/17 at 4:37pm
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My Father's (Born 1957) Social Security Card specifies that it is against the law to use it for Identification; my Mother's (Born 1959) does not. Guess it took ~60 years for someone to realize linking ID with retirement benefits wasn't a good idea.

Flip side

I question any changes or additions to any sort of identification system(s), including creating new systems.
Historically, such changes have only gone badly for individual privacy and metadata/identity security.
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The US Passport uses a longer ID and if examined in person has plenty of security features... but as everyone knows the SSN can be used by phone or over the web, there's no such ID that's secure and at best you could tie it in to free nationwide text notifications whenever your SSN is used... but this requires new comprehensive federal regulations on private companies by a conservative administration. Rock meets hard place meets wall.

There's always a compromise between security and convenience. If I write data to a RAID 0 array, encrypt it three times over, and spread the drives in separate vaults around the globe, I've got some pretty security.

But if I want to retrieve it, it's way harder than a publicly shared file on Google Drive or something.

There needs to be a middle ground, but I'd rather have security than convenience given the stakes of identity theft.
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I'm sure we'll be seeing advanced biometrics during our lifetime.
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That sounds really secure but at the end of the day your private key needs to translate to your public key. So there is another party that must decrypt it and recognize it. So if that was compromised so is the system. Or did I not get what you were saying? I'm also not saying its a bad idea just pointing out that at the end the day it can be comprised, but I doubt anything truly can't be innovation will persist, its a cockroach.

You seem to have a misunderstanding about how PKI works. The entire point of the technology is that you can hold a secret (your private key) and never need to reveal it to anyone while simultaneously being able to reveal a related public key that lets anyone decrypt anything encrypted with the private key. You never need to nor should you reveal your private key to anyone else for any reason. It's only used by you to encrypt something. The public key isn't considered secret and may be shared freely. It is able to decrypt anything encrypted by the private key. You can't use the public key to derive the private key, so it's safe. In such a way, you can prove that you are you without allowing anyone else to pretend to be you. It could be as simple as providing a token that says "I claim to be x, the plain text of this encrypted blob is y, and here is the encrypted blob z". Since nobody else would be able to generate the encrypted blob z that decrypts correctly to y using the public key associated with x, you would have proven that you are you. I'm not proposing a theoretical technology--this is the basis upon which all secure Internet communication is based, so everything we'd need to implement it technically already exists.
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Don't get me started on miserable, misbegotten, no good for nothing, cottonpickin', stinkin', rotten, idiotic, CAPTCHAs! The sadistic clowns (that make Pennywise look like Big Bird in comparison), may they roast, who come up with those abominations should have to spend eternity having to solve those...things!

well these captchas would be different then those, but yeah I hate them too haha
    
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The US Passport uses a longer ID and if examined in person has plenty of security features... but as everyone knows the SSN can be used by phone or over the web, there's no such ID that's secure and at best you could tie it in to free nationwide text notifications whenever your SSN is used... but this requires new comprehensive federal regulations on private companies by a conservative administration. Rock meets hard place meets wall.

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But if I want to retrieve it, it's way harder than a publicly shared file on Google Drive or something.

There needs to be a middle ground, but I'd rather have security than convenience given the stakes of identity theft.

Which is why a notification on access is a good middle ground for something important. Same convenience, and much harder to intercept that notification than to steal that ID number.
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Biometrics are the future.
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