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What do you mean by dated?
Do you find it lacking features? Or is it the performance?
I find that despite being dated, the gpu support brace and the cpu cooler support are features I value and are lacking on modern cases.

I saw the be quiet 700.
I like the look of the case, but several reviews say the case is too closed and as such the intake and exhaust fans get choked.
The airflow is not great and the choke results in added noise...
The grand macho rt is so long that I also don't think an exhaust fan is needed.

Cheers
It looks like an older case to me. That is all.

Most case reviews have no idea what they are doing.
post #202 of 675
Hi,
Reliability and cost wise air will always win,
No telling when a water pump will fail it's just a matter of time
AIO's have better warranties than loop kits do being 3-5 years

Average pump warranty on a Ek or thermaltake loop kit is a meager 1-2 years 1 being the thermaltake
Not sure why anyone would buy it with only 1 year looks mostly :/
     
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It looks like an older case to me. That is all.

Most case reviews have no idea what they are doing.

So in your opinion, the bequiet 700 has good airflow and is a good case to aircool components?

Cheers
post #204 of 675
Listen, if we only bought PC parts based on reading every complaint on the internet about one PC component here, or another there, we wouldnt be able to assemble a PC. Take what alot of people complain about with a huge grain of salt, because there is a massive majority you never hear from who have great experiences.

Many forums are filled with folks without much knowledge. However, OCN is an excellent site comprised of extremely knowledgeable people. Take a look at the rigs these people actually run, and youll see that many here love AIOs and outnumber those who dont. Thats not to say that the others arent knowledgeable, but reasonable minds can differ about quality products.

I have run an H50 AIO in my Sig Rig for damn near 8 years without a single complaint. Still on the stock fans. Looks clean as hell, I can easily reach my components and dont have a giant stress on my motherboard as I would with one of those ginormous air coolers. Technology is moving in the directions of AIOs and the best quality ones are worth the extra few bucks.
post #205 of 675
Hi,
Don't have voice assistant so can't listen to typed context but can look and read it smile.gif

It's all a lottery system
A bad batch can happen with AIO
My corsair h110i gt died last weekend
My friend bought his the same month as I did and now he's having issues as mine just hasn't completely died yet.

But cost of an AIO is about twice as much at the least some more
Space and looks wise is not comparable as to which looks better biggrin.gif
     
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post #206 of 675
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So in your opinion, the bequiet 700 has good airflow and is a good case to aircool components?

Cheers
i have not tested or used one, but yes I think it is a good case. Vent layout and area is good, includes 2x good fans, has 180mm CPU clearance and supports GPUs up to 286 w/ HDD cage, 430mm w/o HDD cage .. plus the motherboard tray can be reversed to other side of case. What is not to like?
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Listen, if we only bought PC parts based on reading every complaint on the internet about one PC component here, or another there, we wouldnt be able to assemble a PC. Take what alot of people complain about with a huge grain of salt, because there is a massive majority you never hear from who have great experiences.

Many forums are filled with folks without much knowledge. However, OCN is an excellent site comprised of extremely knowledgeable people. Take a look at the rigs these people actually run, and youll see that many here love AIOs and outnumber those who dont. Thats not to say that the others arent knowledgeable, but reasonable minds can differ about quality products.

I have run an H50 AIO in my Sig Rig for damn near 8 years without a single complaint. Still on the stock fans. Looks clean as hell, I can easily reach my components and dont have a giant stress on my motherboard as I would with one of those ginormous air coolers. Technology is moving in the directions of AIOs and the best quality ones are worth the extra few bucks.
While I agree with your first statement, I believe your 2nd one need to be taken wiht the 'huge grain of salt' you first advised.

Please supply us with data showing numbers of AIO (almost all are CLC) owners & users versus numbers of air cooler owners & users to support your claim of most users having AIO's .. of which most users of AIO's are actually using CLC's.

From people I know in industry the CLCs being sold are no better cooling than good air coolers make more noise, don't last as long and cost substantially more than a good air cooled system.

We need to keep in mind most computer owners do not read or post on forums .. and most of these are also not using water cooling of any sort.
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Hi,
Don't have voice assistant so can't listen to typed context but can look and read it smile.gif

It's all a lottery system
A bad batch can happen with AIO
My corsair h110i gt died last weekend
My friend bought his the same month as I did and now he's having issues as mine just hasn't completely died yet.

But cost of an AIO is about twice as much at the least some more
Space and looks wise is not comparable as to which looks better biggrin.gif
Exactly! thumb.gif

It has been proven many times that air cooling costs less, lasts longer and is quieter than CLCs.
post #207 of 675
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Originally Posted by doyll View Post

i have not tested or used one, but yes I think it is a good case. Vent layout and area is good, includes 2x good fans, has 180mm CPU clearance and supports GPUs up to 286 w/ HDD cage, 430mm w/o HDD cage .. plus the motherboard tray can be reversed to other side of case. What is not to like?
While I agree with your first statement, I believe your 2nd one need to be taken wiht the 'huge grain of salt' you first advised.

Please supply us with data showing numbers of AIO (almost all are CLC) owners & users versus numbers of air cooler owners & users to support your claim of most users having AIO's .. of which most users of AIO's are actually using CLC's.

From people I know in industry the CLCs being sold are no better cooling than good air coolers make more noise, don't last as long and cost substantially more than a good air cooled system.

We need to keep in mind most computer owners do not read or post on forums .. and most of these are also not using water cooling of any sort.
Exactly! thumb.gif

It has been proven many times that air cooling costs less, lasts longer and is quieter than CLCs.

I currently have a NH-D14 with a triple fan setup.
It has a stock nf-p14 in the middle and one nf-p12 at each end.
It is the older non PWM version.

My setup:


I am thinking of switching to a gran macho rt with one ty-143 PWM when i get a new case.
The reason is only one fan can generate less noise and less turbulence than my current 3 fan setup and also wiring is much less complicated.
How would the performance compare with the knowledge you have?

Thank you.
Edited by Gdourado - 12/15/17 at 10:04am
post #208 of 675
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@doyll, still regarding the dark base 700,did you have the chance to see gamers nexus review?
https://youtu.be/n278gbfPC2c

I usually respect Steve's reviews, especially his case reviews as he his very focused on performance and functionality first and not tempered glass or rgb features.

He raises some concerns like the ones I mentioned previously.

Cheers
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@doyll, still regarding the dark base 700,did you have the chance to see gamers nexus review?
https://youtu.be/n278gbfPC2c

I usually respect Steve's reviews, especially his case reviews as he his very focused on performance and functionality first and not tempered glass or rgb features.

He raises some concerns like the ones I mentioned previously.

Cheers
I rarely read reviews and almost never watch a video review.

Reviewing a case with just is stock fans in stock positions means case is not tuned to components in it.
In this case (no pun) it only has 1x fan of airflow because one intake and one exhaust is only 1 fan of flow even though case has 2 fans .. with one as intake and 1 as exhaust it it's one fan of airflow because CFM is same as one fan. But if we move the rear exhaust fan to front as a 2nd intake and remove all unused PCIe back slot covers to increase rear vent area we double the case's airflow .. and this will obviously mean CPU and GPU nowhave 2x 140mm fans' of airflow .. twice what (I'm assuming) their testing used.

What these reviewers' are doing is like buying a new surround sound system, taking it home, plugging it into TV, setting a speaker in each corner and watching a movie without adjusting bass, treble or volume to each speaker and then complaining about how terrible it sounds.

Putting a bunch of components into a case and not setting up case airflow is basically the same thing. Cases need to have fans setup to flow needed air to components if we expect it to cool properly. biggrin.gif

My reasoning is like I said; good fans and good vent area. For example, look at the Fractal Design Define R 2, 3, 4 & 5 cases. Compare their vent area, grill placement, filters, etc to the Dark Base 700 and let me know which one/s you think have best vent and filter layout .. size of front intake vents on each side of front, distance from front of case to front of intake fans, etc. and let me know what you think.
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Originally Posted by doyll View Post

I rarely read reviews and almost never watch a video review.

Reviewing a case with just is stock fans in stock positions means case is not tuned to components in it.
In this case (no pun) it only has 1x fan of airflow because one intake and one exhaust is only 1 fan of flow even though case has 2 fans .. with one as intake and 1 as exhaust it it's one fan of airflow because CFM is same as one fan. But if we move the rear exhaust fan to front as a 2nd intake and remove all unused PCIe back slot covers to increase rear vent area we double the case's airflow .. and this will obviously mean CPU and GPU nowhave 2x 140mm fans' of airflow .. twice what (I'm assuming) their testing used.

What these reviewers' are doing is like buying a new surround sound system, taking it home, plugging it into TV, setting a speaker in each corner and watching a movie without adjusting bass, treble or volume to each speaker and then complaining about how terrible it sounds.

Putting a bunch of components into a case and not setting up case airflow is basically the same thing. Cases need to have fans setup to flow needed air to components if we expect it to cool properly. biggrin.gif

My reasoning is like I said; good fans and good vent area. For example, look at the Fractal Design Define R 2, 3, 4 & 5 cases. Compare their vent area, grill placement, filters, etc to the Dark Base 700 and let me know which one/s you think have best vent and filter layout .. size of front intake vents on each side of front, distance from front of case to front of intake fans, etc. and let me know what you think.

You have a point there no doubt.
In regard to the r5, for me it is a case optimized for silent operation and I think the case is too closed of.
A couple of years ago, when the h440 first launched, I thought the case looked good so I bought one.
But at the time, even with 3 120mm front intake fans, it was cooking my GPUs with hight Temps so I ended up selling the case shortly after.

What about my previous post about the macho and d14?
Can you share your knowledge on that matter please?

Cheers
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