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biggrin.gif. I'm actually in the process of consolidating my storage a bit. I just bought 8 x 10TB WD Gold drives to replace the 8TB Seagate SMR drives in my main UnRAID server. I may wind up just moving everything to FreeNAS just to be able to put it all in one physical server and eliminate one node. I'll have to update my build log (or make a new one) once that project starts in the next few weeks thumb.gif.


I also have a ton of home theater gear so i was thinking of buying a big rack and just throwing all of it in there, I just would have to make sure everything is very quiet.


As far as the server is concerned, Primarily i also will use it as a big Plex server. I own about 700 blu-rays that i want on there (Cant really discuss the details here of course) and additional content haha. Looking to move to some more efficient hardware as my dual e5-2670s are not exactly power friendly.

Was thinking of running a single Ryzen 1700X for my VM's (Plex and minecraft initially. But probably exchange/AD/DNS down the road and who knows what else).

For the storage server i was going to run 5x 8TB of the WD Red drives (24TB usable, 2 drives for redundancy) with a supermicro board and a Pentium G4400 with 32GB ECC

For networking, i just want a 10gb link beteween the two servers, just need to figure the most practical/cost effective way to do that
Edited by Blindsay - 10/20/17 at 12:56pm
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I also have a ton of home theater gear so i was thinking of buying a big rack and just throwing all of it in there, I just would have to make sure everything is very quiet.


As far as the server is concerned, Primarily i also will use it as a big Plex server. I own about 700 blu-rays that i want on there (Cant really discuss the details here of course) and additional content haha. Looking to move to some more efficient hardware as my dual e5-2670s are not exactly power friendly.

Was thinking of running a single Ryzen 1700X for my VM's (Plex and minecraft initially. But probably exchange/AD/DNS down the road and who knows what else).

For the storage server i was going to run 5x 8TB of the WD Red drives (24TB usable, 2 drives for redundancy) with a supermicro board and a Pentium G4400 with 32GB ECC

For networking, i just want a 10gb link beteween the two servers, just need to figure the most practical/cost effective way to do that

Everything looks solid in that plan to me. If you want 10Gb between the servers the easiest way is to just buy two cheap Mellanox SFP+ carts (you can get them for $20-$25 each) and just directly connect them. It's cheaper that way for sure than buying a 10Gb capable switch but it's also harder to config and much less flexible for the future. You can get a switch with dual SFP+ ports for pretty cheap these days.
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I'm sorry to say that RAID 0 or 1 are your only options. Personally I don't really care for write speed as a media server mostly reads but if your server writes a lot then you can look at RAID 60.

Edit: Which drives do you have and what are your write speeds?

Toshiba X300, 2x 4TB and 2x 5TB at the moment

write speeds seem to vary a bit but like ~45MB/s

That is awful, 45MBps is something you get from a defective drive, not such high speed ones. I use Mint 18.1 with SnapRAID and my drives write at speeds over 150MBps so you are getting about a quarter of the possible write speeds of your drives. I have done a little research into UnRAID and this isn't abnormal due to UnRAIDs unusual FS and RAID array.

 

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biggrin.gif. I'm actually in the process of consolidating my storage a bit. I just bought 8 x 10TB WD Gold drives to replace the 8TB Seagate SMR drives in my main UnRAID server. I may wind up just moving everything to FreeNAS just to be able to put it all in one physical server and eliminate one node. I'll have to update my build log (or make a new one) once that project starts in the next few weeks thumb.gif.


I also have a ton of home theater gear so i was thinking of buying a big rack and just throwing all of it in there, I just would have to make sure everything is very quiet.


As far as the server is concerned, Primarily i also will use it as a big Plex server. I own about 700 blu-rays that i want on there (Cant really discuss the details here of course) and additional content haha. Looking to move to some more efficient hardware as my dual e5-2670s are not exactly power friendly.

Was thinking of running a single Ryzen 1700X for my VM's (Plex and minecraft initially. But probably exchange/AD/DNS down the road and who knows what else).

For the storage server i was going to run 5x 8TB of the WD Red drives (24TB usable, 2 drives for redundancy) with a supermicro board and a Pentium G4400 with 32GB ECC

For networking, i just want a 10gb link beteween the two servers, just need to figure the most practical/cost effective way to do that

Before you delve into FreeNAS I suggest you look into OpenMediaVault as that will give you a lot more flexibility than FreeNAS. SnapRAID is similar to UnRAID but offers a lot more freedom and you are not tied to UnRAID itself.

 

OMV is based on Debian and, despite being aimed at home or small servers, is used in pretty large networks (200+ PC's). It's very powerful and flexible as you can use VirtualBox or KVM for your virtual machines.

 

Why would you switch from Toshiba X300's to WD Reds? WD Reds are slower and offer no benefit over Toshiba's drives that also have the same technology that WD offer in their Reds. This is why I use Toshiba drives, they are not only cheaper but also faster.


Edited by Liranan - 10/20/17 at 6:29pm
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That is awful, 45MBps is something you get from a defective drive, not such high speed ones. I use Mint 18.1 with SnapRAID and my drives write at speeds over 150MBps so you are getting about a quarter of the possible write speeds of your drives. I have done a little research into UnRAID and this isn't abnormal due to UnRAIDs unusual FS and RAID array.

Before you delve into FreeNAS I suggest you look into OpenMediaVault as that will give you a lot more flexibility than FreeNAS. SnapRAID is similar to UnRAID but offers a lot more freedom and you are not tied to UnRAID itself.

OMV is based on Debian and, despite being aimed at home or small servers, is used in pretty large networks (200+ PC's). It's very powerful and flexible as you can use VirtualBox or KVM for your virtual machines.

Why would you switch from Toshiba X300's to WD Reds? WD Reds are slower and offer no benefit over Toshiba's drives that also have the same technology that WD offer in their Reds. This is why I use Toshiba drives, they are not only cheaper but also faster.

I thought using standard desktop drives in a NAS was generally a bad idea?

ill take a look at the other suggestions you mentioned. Hadnt heard of them before. Thanks
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The difference between WD Red and regular HD's is that Reds have TLER enabled, whereas their blue and blacks do not. However Toshiba have enabled CCTL (their version of TLER) on all of their drives so there is basically no difference between their regular desktop HD's and their NAS line.

 

Here is a thread on our very own forums explaining this:

http://www.overclock.net/t/1348624/information-on-the-new-toshiba-dt01acaxxx-hard-drives

 

I use DT01ACA300's (3TB) in my NAS/media server and love their performance. They write at very high speeds of up to 180MBps (XFS), proving that NTFS is worse than awful.

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The difference between WD Red and regular HD's is that Reds have TLER enabled, whereas their blue and blacks do not. However Toshiba have enabled CCTL (their version of TLER) on all of their drives so there is basically no difference between their regular desktop HD's and their NAS line.

Here is a thread on our very own forums explaining this:
http://www.overclock.net/t/1348624/information-on-the-new-toshiba-dt01acaxxx-hard-drives

I use DT01ACA300's (3TB) in my NAS/media server and love their performance. They write at very high speeds of up to 180MBps (XFS), proving that NTFS is worse than awful.

I mean i was planning on buying 8TB drives anyways and the price between the 8TB drives is pretty close on newegg.


Also that thread doesnt seem to apply to the X300 drives?
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The difference between WD Red and regular HD's is that Reds have TLER enabled, whereas their blue and blacks do not. However Toshiba have enabled CCTL (their version of TLER) on all of their drives so there is basically no difference between their regular desktop HD's and their NAS line.

Here is a thread on our very own forums explaining this:
http://www.overclock.net/t/1348624/information-on-the-new-toshiba-dt01acaxxx-hard-drives

I use DT01ACA300's (3TB) in my NAS/media server and love their performance. They write at very high speeds of up to 180MBps (XFS), proving that NTFS is worse than awful.

I mean i was planning on buying 8TB drives anyways and the price between the 8TB drives is pretty close on newegg.


Also that thread doesnt seem to apply to the X300 drives?

The point I'm trying to prove with that thread is that if you can get other drives with error correction for cheaper than WD Red then I think that is best as WD Reds are slow.

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The point I'm trying to prove with that thread is that if you can get other drives with error correction for cheaper than WD Red then I think that is best as WD Reds are slow.

Some people (not me) prefer the slow RPM Reds for power saving (albeit not much) and less heat. Depending on the workload (say if using for media streaming) the slower RPM will not be the least bit noticeable.
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The point I'm trying to prove with that thread is that if you can get other drives with error correction for cheaper than WD Red then I think that is best as WD Reds are slow.

Some people (not me) prefer the slow RPM Reds for power saving (albeit not much) and less heat. Depending on the workload (say if using for media streaming) the slower RPM will not be the least bit noticeable.

I am well aware that the speed of the drives doesn't really matter that much as a single drive can easily handle over 15 streams, which is why I mentioned price. Where I am WD Reds are pretty expensive and these DT01ACA300's are much cheaper so I would rather get them than spend 1.5x more on slower drives.

 

Edit: I forgot to say that when rebuilding the array drive speed does matter.


Edited by Liranan - 10/23/17 at 6:54pm
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