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which is proven by the FBI's list of what constitutes a terrorist or threat to the established order. The list includes dangerous things as: speaking loudly, whispering, missing a finger, paying with cash, saving money, etc.
Where can we read said list?
    
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can't be worse than windows 10.. also I don't believe the article I think they just don't like Kaspersky because they're Russian.

They used KAV to remotely access and steal information from an American contractor. Its been confirmed by another country (Israel). They (Israel) had hacked into KAV's network and watched them (and recorded via some means) in real time use KAV to remotely hack/access systems. To put that into perspective:

This is like someone accusing another person of tax fraud and a third person going "Yea he was committing tax fraud, I know because while I was breaking into his house and stealing his stuff and taking pictures of all of it I saw them do it." No one is going to make that up and expose their own activities.

I know trust is at a premium these days. I sure dont blindly trust a govt, the media, or people online.

However, when an organization like the US govt bans the use of a piece of software that has been generally considered via 3rd party labs to be the best or 1 of the top AV products for many years, I take notice of it. This was like when the head of the FBI told people they should cover their web cams when not being used and everyone laughed at him. I mean Seriously, the guy is/was the head of the FBI...if he says I should take a simple precaution to protect myself, I am going to at least consider it in a serious fashion.

I used KAV a couple years ago. Its on the surface great AV software. It was light, accurate, easy to use. Compare that to something like McAfee or Norton (i just gagged a little) and why would anyone in the world be willing to compromise their AV protection just because of a companies base of operations...and in this case we are talking about an organization that takes (its) privacy and security very seriously. They would not forcibly disallow the use of a arguably superior product without a good reason, its not in their best interest.

The difference with Windows 10, you know what you are getting when you buy it. I dont think KAV stamps on the box that they use it to remotely access your system and steal files and other sensitive data from you.
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Very much so. It's quite possibly the most foolish thing I've read on this forum, actually. At least you can assume that those spying on you state-side have a vested interest in the stability of the American economy and its continued prosperity due to their own desire for self-preservation. Foreign actors spying on citizens can easily result in data being collected with the intent to use it to look for ways to destabilize the nation politically or economically. While we can't say for sure, I feel that this is exactly Russia's intent as of late. You're just a single data point, sure, but the raindrop never feels responsible for the flood.

Better the devil you know than the devil you don't.

But there is zero reason why any foreign actor would need to track people's identities or go through the effort of compromising individual computers and personal data just to identify trends that they could take advantage of to cause societal instability. They can just read what's publicly available online to see how masses of people think, what's popular with who and what isn't. That's actually a far more reliable way of identifying trends than manually sifting through boatloads of one individual's preferences and opinions. To think that the Russian government has any interest in stealing mundane data from random American citizens' computers is asinine as far as I can tell. Only our own government in whose jurisdiction we reside would care, because they are able to affect us as individuals. For large corporations with coveted IP, government agencies and the like, sure, it's a legitimate concern.
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As we saw during this last election, information warfare is a problem and will only continue to get worse. I'll sleep much better at night knowing my government is spying on me (they almost assuredly already are, anyway) rather than a foreign power who has a clear and vested interest in destabilizing my government, and therefore my life.

Yes, all of the disinformation coming out of CNN, The New York Times, the Washington Post, et. al. is a major problem -- what does this have to do with Russia?
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They used KAV to remotely access and steal information from an American contractor. Its been confirmed by another country (Israel). They (Israel) had hacked into KAV's network and watched them (and recorded via some means) in real time use KAV to remotely hack/access systems. To put that into perspective:

This is like someone accusing another person of tax fraud and a third person going "Yea he was committing tax fraud, I know because while I was breaking into his house and stealing his stuff and taking pictures of all of it I saw them do it." No one is going to make that up and expose their own activities.

I know trust is at a premium these days. I sure dont blindly trust a govt, the media, or people online.

However, when an organization like the US govt bans the use of a piece of software that has been generally considered via 3rd party labs to be the best or 1 of the top AV products for many years, I take notice of it. This was like when the head of the FBI told people they should cover their web cams when not being used and everyone laughed at him. I mean Seriously, the guy is/was the head of the FBI...if he says I should take a simple precaution to protect myself, I am going to at least consider it in a serious fashion.

I used KAV a couple years ago. Its on the surface great AV software. It was light, accurate, easy to use. Compare that to something like McAfee or Norton (i just gagged a little) and why would anyone in the world be willing to compromise their AV protection just because of a companies base of operations...and in this case we are talking about an organization that takes (its) privacy and security very seriously. They would not forcibly disallow the use of a arguably superior product without a good reason, its not in their best interest.

The difference with Windows 10, you know what you are getting when you buy it. I dont think KAV stamps on the box that they use it to remotely access your system and steal files and other sensitive data from you.

I'm not quite sure how much I trust the Mossad, but assuming this is in fact the case, it's reasonable to assume that if you have no valuable IP, government secrets, public/government infrastructure blueprints or anything of the sort, you're not going to be a target for what, by your description, sounds like a manual and targeted hack. Sweeping, blind domestic surveillance of all metadata is another matter entirely from espionage.
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can't be worse than windows 10.. also I don't believe the article I think they just don't like Kaspersky because they're Russian.

They used KAV to remotely access and steal information from an American contractor. Its been confirmed by another country (Israel). They (Israel) had hacked into KAV's network and watched them (and recorded via some means) in real time use KAV to remotely hack/access systems. To put that into perspective:

This is like someone accusing another person of tax fraud and a third person going "Yea he was committing tax fraud, I know because while I was breaking into his house and stealing his stuff and taking pictures of all of it I saw them do it." No one is going to make that up and expose their own activities.

I know trust is at a premium these days. I sure dont blindly trust a govt, the media, or people online.

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I used KAV a couple years ago. Its on the surface great AV software. It was light, accurate, easy to use. Compare that to something like McAfee or Norton (i just gagged a little) and why would anyone in the world be willing to compromise their AV protection just because of a companies base of operations...and in this case we are talking about an organization that takes (its) privacy and security very seriously. They would not forcibly disallow the use of a arguably superior product without a good reason, its not in their best interest.

The difference with Windows 10, you know what you are getting when you buy it. I dont think KAV stamps on the box that they use it to remotely access your system and steal files and other sensitive data from you.

HAHAHA, the Mossad have become a reliable source now:lachen:

 

I have posted several times in this thread that the Germans have debunked this lie it keeps being spread and I couldn't care less what the US government say or do. Their actions and words are self serving only.

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