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[wccftech] AMD Ryzen 5 2500U ‘Raven Ridge’ APU With Radeon Vega M Graphics Spotted In HP Envy x360 Listing

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AMD's upcoming Raven Ridge APU, the Ryzen 5 2500U has leaked once again in a listing by HP. The APU which will be utilizing the new Zen core architecture and Radeon Vega graphics is said to launch later this year but this leak shows us what kind of products we can expect from AMD's launch.
 
#8 ·
Current Intel platform Envy x360 15Ts have a two dimm option when you customize them. I really doubt they'd remove the option for Raven Ridge. Some prebuilt and ready to ship versions only feature 1 dimm, even for 16GB
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Wonder if the HBCC will remove the memory bottleneck of single channel DIMM.
Iirc hbcc makes use of some special characteristic of HBM that reduces latency significantly when switching between read and write operations.
 
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Yeah, single channel is going to suck. If you can upgrade it to 16GB maybe that means that there will be a dual channel config? Or at the very least you'll be able to put your own DIMM in and make it dual channel? We can hope, right? Other than that, I'm really excited for these! Bring on the Zen ultrabooks!
 
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"Wait for VEGA"
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Let's hope it can be upgraded to at least 16 GB 2 x8GB DDR4 2666MHz , as officially Ryzen supports 2666MHz

2 GHz base and 3.6 GHz burst with Haswell IPC is alright but it irks me they did not compare to Intel Broadwell chips.

edit: supposedly 45W

relevant
https://www.pcper.com/news/General-Tech/AMD-Ryzen-5-2500U-APU-Vega-Graphics-Spotted-Geekbench-Benchmarks


Geekbench for i7-4700MQ (not Iris Pro):
https://browser.geekbench.com/processors/972

3,384 Single-Core Score
10,155 Multi-Core Score

i7-4770HQ Iris Pro
3,400ish single core
13,000ish multicore
https://browser.geekbench.com/geekbench3/search?q=model:%22MacBook%20Pro%20(15-inch%20Retina%20Mid%202015)%22%20platform:%22Mac%22%20processor:%22Intel%20Core%20i7-4770HQ%22%20frequency:2200%20bits:64
https://www.notebookcheck.net/Intel-Core-i7-4770HQ-Notebook-Processor.122652.0.html

Intel Core i7-5700HQ
4,107 single core
13,142 multicore
https://www.notebookcheck.net/Intel-Core-i7-5700HQ-Notebook-Processor.143892.0.html

Intel Core i7-7820HK
4,841 single core
16,165 multicore
https://www.notebookcheck.net/Intel-Core-i7-7820HK-Laptop-Processor.189821.0.html

https://compubench.com/device.jsp?D=AMD+Ryzen+5+2500U+with+Radeon+Vega+Graphics

Level Set Segmentation - 128 = 1087.188 mVoxels/s

Level Set Segmentation - 256 = 910.499 mVoxels/s

https://compubench.com/compare.jsp?benchmark=compu20d&did1=52679520&os1=Windows&api1=cl&hwtype1=iGPU&hwname1=AMD+15DD+Graphics&D2=Intel%28R%29+Core%28TM%29+i7-6770HQ+CPU+with+Iris%28TM%29+Pro+Graphics+580
 
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Hot on the heels of the HP leak that showed the first AMD Raven Ridge based notebook that may be hitting store shelves later this year, another leak of potential Raven Ridge APU performance is cycling through. The AMD Ryzen 7 2700U with integrated Vega-based graphics architecture, and also rumored to have a ~35-watt TDP, is showing 3DMark11 graphics scores near that of the discrete NVIDIA GeForce MX150.

With a graphics score of 4072, the integrated graphics on the upcoming AMD APU is slightly behind the score of 4570 from the MX150, a difference of 11.5%. Interestingly, the Physics score on the Raven Ridge APU of 6419 is solid as well, and puts an interesting light on the 8th gen KBL-R processors. As you can see in the graph below, from two systems we already have in-house with quad-core parts, CPU performance is going to vary dramatically from one machine to the next depending on the thermal headroom of the physical implementation.

The HP Spectre x360 with the Core i7-8550U and the MX150 GPU is able to generate a Physics score of 8278, well above the leaked result of the Raven Ridge APU. However, when we ran the 3DMark11 on the ASUS Zenbook 3 UX490UA with the same Core i7-8550U, the Physics score was 6627, a 19% drop! Clearly there are configurability shifts that will adjust the performance of the 8th gen Intel parts. We are diving more into this effect in a couple of upcoming reviews.

Though the true power consumption of these Ryzen 7 2700U systems is still up in the air, AMD has claimed for some time that it would have the ability to compete with Intel for the first time in several generations. If these solutions turn out to be in the 35-watt range, which would be at or lower than the typical 15-watt Intel CPU and 25-watt NVIDIA discrete GPU combined, AMD may have a winning combination for mobile performance users to entertain.

https://www.pcper.com/news/Graphics-Cards/AMD-Raven-Ridge-Performance-Leaks-APU-GeForce-MX150-Performance
 
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Considering how well my circa 2014 15w tdp A8-6410 does this will be a great laptop option for many. Mine is single channel only paired with 1x gb stick of ddr3 1866 (does not support DC at all).

This excites me far more than anything Intel nor AMD has put out recently.
 
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Hot on the heels of the HP leak that showed the first AMD Raven Ridge based notebook that may be hitting store shelves later this year, another leak of potential Raven Ridge APU performance is cycling through. The AMD Ryzen 7 2700U with integrated Vega-based graphics architecture, and also rumored to have a ~35-watt TDP, is showing 3DMark11 graphics scores near that of the discrete NVIDIA GeForce MX150.

With a graphics score of 4072, the integrated graphics on the upcoming AMD APU is slightly behind the score of 4570 from the MX150, a difference of 11.5%. Interestingly, the Physics score on the Raven Ridge APU of 6419 is solid as well, and puts an interesting light on the 8th gen KBL-R processors. As you can see in the graph below, from two systems we already have in-house with quad-core parts, CPU performance is going to vary dramatically from one machine to the next depending on the thermal headroom of the physical implementation.

The HP Spectre x360 with the Core i7-8550U and the MX150 GPU is able to generate a Physics score of 8278, well above the leaked result of the Raven Ridge APU. However, when we ran the 3DMark11 on the ASUS Zenbook 3 UX490UA with the same Core i7-8550U, the Physics score was 6627, a 19% drop! Clearly there are configurability shifts that will adjust the performance of the 8th gen Intel parts. We are diving more into this effect in a couple of upcoming reviews.

Though the true power consumption of these Ryzen 7 2700U systems is still up in the air, AMD has claimed for some time that it would have the ability to compete with Intel for the first time in several generations. If these solutions turn out to be in the 35-watt range, which would be at or lower than the typical 15-watt Intel CPU and 25-watt NVIDIA discrete GPU combined, AMD may have a winning combination for mobile performance users to entertain.

https://www.pcper.com/news/Graphics-Cards/AMD-Raven-Ridge-Performance-Leaks-APU-GeForce-MX150-Performance
So around the power of an older 860M or 950M? Depending on the RAM used, timings included, we might see those numbers rise down the road.
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I can hope and dream at least. ^___^
 
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edit: supposedly 45W
It can't be 45W, as the adapter included is 45W. That must be able to power the entire computer (dram, wifi, hard-drives, various different other components) under full load, and charge the battery. 25-35w more likely, leaning towards 35
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It can't be 45W, as the adapter included is 45W. That must be able to power the entire computer (dram, wifi, hard-drives, various different other components) under full load, and charge the battery. 25-35w more likely, leaning towards 35
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It's going to be 15w. A 35w processor would have a 65w brick, at least. The Intel platform Envy x360 15t comes with a 45w power supply for the 15w chips with integrated graphics. 90w for gpu + discrete mx150
 
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I feel like Vega issues are holding back Raven Ridge news and leaks, it seems like we should be seeing more than what we have. This is basically the same leak with new makeup on.
what Vega issues? there are none
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Wonder if the HBCC will remove the memory bottleneck of single channel DIMM.
I doubt they will use HBCC for a such small GPU also it will not make the lack of IGP Memory better if there is no more DRAM
 
#20 ·
Nice i hope they have some 15-25w AM4 chips coming too. Would love to build a fanless or possible heatsinkless HTPC.
:)
 
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Originally Posted by Warrax22 View Post

Not sure why people blame AMD for that single stick...blame HP for being clueless, not AMD. They have done this since forever.
There is an argument to be made that the AMD branding inherently makes the price increase dictated by going with additional RAM sticks counterproductive, given their ultra-low-cost market niche in the portable realm.
 
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given their ultra-low-cost market niche in the portable realm.
AMD doesn't want to be the low cost alternative anymore. The plans are to expand margins and I don't see Raven Ridge hitting the ultra low cost markets...
 
#24 ·
HP envy is not the low cost platform, HP Pavilion is with "Notebook" at the bottom above Chromebooks...

Spectre / OMEN (gaming) is the high end stuff

Business line has Elitebook ,Zbook (workstation), & Probook
 
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HP envy is not the low cost platform, HP Pavilion is with "Notebook" at the bottom above Chromebooks...

Spectre / OMEN (gaming) is the high end stuff

Business line has Elitebook ,Zbook (workstation), & Probook
Omen is based on the pavilion chassis last time I checked. Mediocre quality with high power parts
 
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It's going to be 15w. A 35w processor would have a 65w brick, at least. The Intel platform Envy x360 15t comes with a 45w power supply for the 15w chips with integrated graphics. 90w for gpu + discrete mx150
My i7-2630QM with an HD6570M laptop came with a 120 watt brick. Combined TDP for the GPU and CPU was less than 90 watts. So if this thing has a 45 watt brick, the CPU is well under 45W TDP. Unless they pulled an Apple where your battery slowly discharges at full load, even when plugged in.
 
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