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I always forget that Mint exists. Excellent suggestion for a set and forget platform upon which to learn Linux.

     
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I always forget that Mint exists. Excellent suggestion for a set and forget platform upon which to learn Linux.

My favourite distro's are Mint and OpenSuse but sadly OpenSuse doesn't work well with a lot of codecs so it's not suitable as a general use distro.


Manjaro is also an acceptable distro but not suitable for a beginner as things can and do go wrong with rolling releases.

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My favourite distro's are Mint and OpenSuse but sadly OpenSuse doesn't work well with a lot of codecs so it's not suitable as a general use distro.


Manjaro is also an acceptable distro but not suitable for a beginner as things can and do go wrong with rolling releases.

 

Agreed on both counts. OpenSuse unfortunately has a few niggling problems which prevent it from being an easy recommendation for me. It's also got decent doc and forum support, but nothing close to Ubuntu and friends (including Mint) and Fedora, unless you're a German speaker. Manjaro is more annoying to me than maintaining an Arch system, and part of that may just be experience and familiarity, but mhwd can create some interesting problems when switching hardware around which is ironic considering its intended purpose as a streamlining force for hardware identification and driver support.

     
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If you want a minimal-ish distro for gaming, get Lubuntu, I ran some older games (TF2, HL2) on my single-core slug at 40FPS. Seriously, if you want a distro for gaming, get Lubuntu. Again, I don't know too much about Linux, but this is a good experience thus far.
 
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If you want a minimal-ish distro for gaming, get Lubuntu, I ran some older games (TF2, HL2) on my single-core slug at 40FPS. Seriously, if you want a distro for gaming, get Lubuntu. Again, I don't know too much about Linux, but this is a good experience thus far.

Personally I do not recommend the xBuntu's due to them lacking i386 libraries. While I understand the direction Canonical are going with Ubuntu x86 is still a required set of libraries for many programs and so it needs to be installed by the user, which is annoying. Ironically OpenSuse, which is a server/mainframe distro, does have these libraries.

 

Have you looked at Mint XFCE, it's very light weight and includes more preinstalled programs than any of the xBuntu's.

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I think a laptop from someone like System76 is a pretty good idea. That way you know the hardware is supported, and you won't be sifting through forums trying to figure out why your WiFi isn't working. All the basic connectivity issues wil be ironed out, so you can tinker with things at your leisure.

On top of that, suporting Linux OEMs helps to keep that ecosystem going/growing, which means that there is a better chance for future hardware to have support out of the box.
Yeah, that was why I was thinking about getting a Linux laptop, but then I thought avoiding those headaches was kind of cheating in a way, hence the thread. The only reason I wasn't sifting through fora is because I had a spare WiFi adapter that didn't have a Broadcom chip, but now I have a wired connection, so I should be OK, regarding that. It's the video I had a problem with, once I got a new card.

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That's why I suggested Fedora or Ubuntu, though. At this point, they really don't require a lengthy configuration period to be usable relative to a Windows OEM machine. Modern installation managers like Anaconda handle all of the heavy lifting, and modern desktop environments start you off with everything you need for a general office computer. Samba and CUPS for networking and printing/scanning is also very straightforward on mainstream distros like Ubuntu and Fedora. Orienting the system to your use-case is the same procedure as a Windows machine.

For example, Fedora 26.

1. Make a Fedora 26 live USB after downloading an ISO from the site.
2. Boot into the USB environment, choose to install Fedora, enter the information in the textbox prompts.
3. Boot into your new Linux system and learn at your leisure.

I've installed and configured Linux on dozens of machines and the only time that I've had anything like a lengthy configuration period in recent memory was installing Arch to a C2D Dell with a problematic NIC. If you're not installing Arch or Gentoo and you're buying anything with a recent Realtek or Intel NIC (and an Intel CPU will make things easier with Linux as well) you have nothing to fear.

If you want to support the Linux OEM market, tictoc made some very good points in that regard, but I wouldn't say that a modern user-friendly distro is any stumbling block even if you have absolute minimal personal time.
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Why not Ubuntu?
You either spend more time learning stuff or spend less time with something that's easier.
(I'd recommend Lubuntu 16.04 LTS for a laptop due to the lightweight defaults, consumes less power while still having access to all the software packaged for Ubuntu)
I really don't have any love for Ubuntu because of that crap search tool they included that went against everything Linux stands for. It's hard to trust them after that.

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I recommend using Mint over Ubuntu as it comes with a lot of packages preinstalled. Other than that you can install Linux on any laptop and it will just work, you don't need a 'Linux laptop'.
I've gone through several attempts with Mint and been frustrated each time.
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I always forget that Mint exists. Excellent suggestion for a set and forget platform upon which to learn Linux.
"Set it and forget it?" That's why for the life of me, I can't figure out how to mount a partition on my HDD for data in /home, right?

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My favourite distro's are Mint and OpenSuse but sadly OpenSuse doesn't work well with a lot of codecs so it's not suitable as a general use distro.


Manjaro is also an acceptable distro but not suitable for a beginner as things can and do go wrong with rolling releases.
Thank you, this is good to know. I'm aware of the pitfalls of a rolling release distro, such as Manjaro, but I'm fed up with the roadblocks I've run into with Mint.

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Personally I do not recommend the xBuntu's due to them lacking i386 libraries. While I understand the direction Canonical are going with Ubuntu x86 is still a required set of libraries for many programs and so it needs to be installed by the user, which is annoying. Ironically OpenSuse, which is a server/mainframe distro, does have these libraries.

Have you looked at Mint XFCE, it's very light weight and includes more preinstalled programs than any of the xBuntu's.
I am really fed up with Mint and how allegedly easy it is to configure. Yeah, maybe if you just do a standard install, but I want a data partition on my HDD to be mounted in /home.

I think I'm going to go with converting a used gaming laptop. I've heard MSI ones do well with Linux, but I'm going to have to look into this further. This way, I can dual boot Windows (until I learn virtual machines).
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Yeah, that was why I was thinking about getting a Linux laptop, but then I thought avoiding those headaches was kind of cheating in a way, hence the thread. The only reason I wasn't sifting through fora is because I had a spare WiFi adapter that didn't have a Broadcom chip, but now I have a wired connection, so I should be OK, regarding that. It's the video I had a problem with, once I got a new card.

I really don't have any love for Ubuntu because of that crap search tool they included that went against everything Linux stands for. It's hard to trust them after that.
I've gone through several attempts with Mint and been frustrated each time.
"Set it and forget it?" That's why for the life of me, I can't figure out how to mount a partition on my HDD for data in /home, right?
Thank you, this is good to know. I'm aware of the pitfalls of a rolling release distro, such as Manjaro, but I'm fed up with the roadblocks I've run into with Mint.
I am really fed up with Mint and how allegedly easy it is to configure. Yeah, maybe if you just do a standard install, but I want a data partition on my HDD to be mounted in /home.

I think I'm going to go with converting a used gaming laptop. I've heard MSI ones do well with Linux, but I'm going to have to look into this further. This way, I can dual boot Windows (until I learn virtual machines).


I don't see why getting a laptop just for linux isn't a bad idea. If you want a mobile linux platform. But I also wouldn't just pick up a crappy old low end laptop just for it either, unless that is what you would like to do.

Good Screen, Long Battery life, Ultrabook build type, compatible wireless.

Honestly something like the HP Spectre (the ultra thin one, not the 360) or acer swift 7 would be perfect for a linux laptop. Not sure what wifi card is uses, but should be an intel chip I would think.


Ubuntu would be a good base, if you are looking for easy. If you don't like unity just switch to gnome.

Otherwise any decent ultrabook with good battery and screen is what I would look for.

Dell makes a good Ubuntu laptop as well.
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"Set it and forget it?" That's why for the life of me, I can't figure out how to mount a partition on my HDD for data in /home, right?
 

 

Don't know why you're so hostile to people trying to help you. It sounds to me like you want to learn Linux without learning it, but you'd still have to learn to do something like what you're trying to do with your data partition even on a preinstalled machine.

 

https://community.linuxmint.com/tutorial/view/1609 is how you do it on Mint.

     
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Maybe that's just how you interpreted it and not reality.

Thank you, I will look into this on my next installation attempt.

It's not that I don't want to learn it. It's that I'm frustrated with not being able to get to a point where I can use it daily for basic tasks. Once I get to that point, I can learn the more advanced stuff.
Edited by Pakeo - 10/23/17 at 6:33pm
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Only main Ubuntu has the Unity search thing and data collection is disabled by default.
Lubuntu, Mint, and other distros based on Ubuntu don't even have this.

Also it's a bad idea to try and share a /home partition. Personally I avoid putting data in /home. I just treat it as a small folder where software puts their stuff in by default.
Better to have a separate data partition and let it mount automatically.
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