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msi b350 tomohawk VS asrock ASRock Fatal1ty X370 GAMING

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https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813144018 that vs this https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157774 now i know b350 vs x370 but this tomohawk latest bios ram wont go above 2800 this ram https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231941 either the ram sucks that bad for am4/ryzen or its the motherboard rolleyes.gif
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That RAM is Hynix, and won't clock well on any AMD motherboard/CPU combo more than likely. You need Samsung B Die to achieve 3000mhz+ reliably. Samsung B Die is usually indicated by 3200mhz CL14 1.35v, others (like your Hynix) is 3200mhz CL16 1.35v.

Speaking of motherboards, the AsRock X370 is significantly better but it isn't going to clock your RAM any better. This G.Skill Flare X kit is what you want to get for 3200mhz reliably on any X370 / B350 mobo (assuming BIOS is updated to latest AGESA which by this point I think they all are, but really low end boards don't have it though)
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Pity, at this time the ram is more expensive then the motherboard biggrin.gifrolleyes.gif
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ram keeps going up. I'd put my money on the ASRock over the MSi. Also consider the Taichi. It's also on sale and selling at a very low price for what you get.
post #5 of 11
Neither. Get the Asrock X370 Taichi ~ $155.

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157757

The only people that shouldn't buy the Taichi are those on a super tight budget and are running Ryzen quadcores (R5 1400 / R5 1500X). Those people lose the upgradability of AM4 by going with cheap boards.

edit:
There's a sub $110 MSI X370 Pro Carbon which is far better than the B350 tomahawk if you want to stick with MSI:
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813144017
$107.99 ($20 mail-in rebate and -$32 promo code EMCBRBD22)
Edited by AlphaC - 10/16/17 at 5:23pm
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Originally Posted by kd5151 View Post

ram keeps going up. I'd put my money on the ASRock over the MSi. Also consider the Taichi. It's also on sale and selling at a very low price for what you get.


Once people stop buying a DDR the prices will come back to earth. I don't buy for one minute the bs about tight supplies due to cellphones and tablets bs. DDR4 started to climb as soon as Ryzen was released and people wanted that Samsung B die. DDR4 is now ubiquitous and prices should be low.
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Neither. Get the Asrock X370 Taichi ~ $155.

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157757

The only people that shouldn't buy the Taichi are those on a super tight budget and are running Ryzen quadcores (R5 1400 / R5 1500X). Those people lose the upgradability of AM4 by going with cheap boards.

edit:
There's a sub $110 MSI X370 Pro Carbon which is far better than the B350 tomahawk if you want to stick with MSI:
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813144017
$107.99 ($20 mail-in rebate and -$32 promo code EMCBRBD22)

AlphaC, I see you like the Taichi. ASRock boards were pretty weak on the FM2 and AM3+ platforms. They just seemed cheap with fake vrm counts and thin, warping pcb. Have they really improved that musc with the Taichi?
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My tomahawk VRM temp went up to 82-83C while rendering. By putting a second fan on my CPU cooler it blows air across the VRMs and cools it down to 72C.
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AlphaC, I see you like the Taichi. ASRock boards were pretty weak on the FM2 and AM3+ platforms. They just seemed cheap with fake vrm counts and thin, warping pcb. Have they really improved that musc with the Taichi?

Taichi uses doublers but it's 6 phases doubled to 12 and the mosfets used are top tier TI NexFETs (the same ones uses on Asus Crosshair VI Hero & asus X370 Prime Pro). Even the memory VRM is a two phase TI NexFET solution.

My only gripe about the Taichi is given how every motherboard maker is giving out BIOs versions that are messed up that it doesn't have dual BIOS. The new Z370 Taichi for Intel has Dual BIOs.
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My tomahawk VRM temp went up to 82-83C while rendering. By putting a second fan on my CPU cooler it blows air across the VRMs and cools it down to 72C.
Comments like these need context.
  • Voltage
  • Voltage reported by CPU SVI2
  • Power draw at CPU (hwinfo64 usually has) ... AVX & AVX2 use more than SSE instructions (in the case of Intel it can be over 30% difference in power draw at the same clockspeeds)
  • cooling used , with RPM ... a CPU cooler with 1800RPM fan such as a Coolermaster 212 Evo will cool the VRM more than a Closed loop cooler with non-direct airflow or a Be Quiet Dark rock Pro running 1000rpm
  • ambient temp

Edited by AlphaC - 10/22/17 at 12:35pm
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You forgot about the case being used, the number of intake/exhaust fans and their rpm if you want to be really pedantic wink.gif
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