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I totally forgot about the machine crimping aspect. As long as it's not impossible I'll give it a try by hand. Ordering close to 700 atx pins, 2 spools of MDPC-X small sleeving, 1 spool of MDPC-X 17awg, 1 spool of MDPC-X 23awg, 1 MDPC-X 1000 precut heatshrink, so I should have plenty for trial and error. I was expecting plenty of trial & error even before starting this thread, double crimps will just be more. If the outcome isn't satisfactory to my needs. I'll use the soldering y-cable method. A small delay, nothing apocalyptic.

I do not suggest using CableMod as a reference since they use outdated pin layouts



Both cables are designed for same PSU. I suggest creating your own if you have a multimeter.


700 ATX is a bit excessive, Even for first timers. You should get the hang of things within 10 to 20 crimps.

Truthfully you don't need 17 AWG, The 15 AWG wiring can fit ever terminal MDPC-X sells including the push down connectors for Sata. I have gotten even larger 16 AWG OD inside Molex Sata terminals. Which are rated for 18 AWG only. 15 AWG is better suited for PSU cables. Most PSU companies now of days use 16 AWG on all there main PSU cables.

I suggest buying some UnCut heatshrink as well, I personally just buy uncut heatshrink since it's cheaper & you will get more. If you plan on creating or sleeving USB, Fan, etc.. Buy Sata ("Medium") heatshrink. It will shrink and wrap around Fan connectors very easily.


Double Crimping

Anything above 2mm in wiring (which is what most 18 to 15 AWG is) with Sleeving can not fit inside the connector with sleeving. You also have to melt the two sleeving together which requires longer burn process and needs to be melt further down so melted sleeving does not break apart.

You also lose the ability to use cable combs since a few slots now have two wires instead of just one.


few tips

1. When stripping wire you want around 2 to 4mm cut (It will be a bit different based on the terminal). You do not want the strands entering the terminal.



2. Automatic wire strippers are worth investing in. Molex Wire strippers are the best.

3. Also don't forget to buy Sata Sleeving if you plan on sleeving your data cables.


Solder is not 100% needed, This is my own created method, Since I got sick of soldering PVC wiring. If I had to do my cables over again I would use mppe wiring instead. I don't care for PVC when mppe is allot better. It's also more expensive.

My Y cable Method (Even MPDC-X was impressed by it). It is difficult to pull off with a racket crimper due to the opening. You also need high wall Molex terminals, which only a few companies sell.



My Multi Sata (Quad) wiring setup

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...My Multi Sata (Quad) wiring setup


This may be a dumb question but why did you keep branching off the first wire to wind up with four wires instead of "splitting" the first wire into two wires, then "splitting" each of those two wires into two more wires?
     
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I'm planning to order 700 atx because I'm a newbie, planning 2 full set of cables, cheaper to buy one larger order. Saves on multiple shipping costs, not many places for buying high quality sleeving supplies offer free shipping regardless of how much you spend.

MDPC-X 15awg offers a fuller look but could be an issue with double crimps over the 17awg, 2.5mm OD vs 2.0mm OD. MDPC-X 17awg is comparable to some 16awg, cheaper 16awg hook up wire has 2.3mm-2.5mm OD. I could buy high quality 15awg from Mouser like Alpha Wire's 15awg, copper strand tinned, 2.1mm OD, 100ft for $70-80.

Planning on buying a Fluke multimeter and Knipex wire stripper. Even with 3 sources for pin out, OCN charts, OEM cables, Cablemod cables. Human error is the main reason I wouldn't attempt this without a multimeter.

30m of MDPC-X sata sleeving & 10m of MDPC-X medium heatshrink is also on my order list.
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This may be a dumb question but why did you keep branching off the first wire to wind up with four wires instead of "splitting" the first wire into two wires, then "splitting" each of those two wires into two more wires?

You only need to use heatshrink in one area instead of all those areas if you keep splitting the wire. Plus this method is easier & cleaner.

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Edited by Revan654 - 10/22/17 at 10:46pm
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This may be a dumb question but why did you keep branching off the first wire to wind up with four wires instead of "splitting" the first wire into two wires, then "splitting" each of those two wires into two more wires?

You only need to use heatshrink in one area instead of all those areas if you keep splitting the wire. Plus this method is easier & cleaner.


See, I told you it was a dumb question. I get it now. It could be done with one heatshrink the way I was thinking by offsetting the two second splits but the results would look exactly as what you got once sleeved (which, btw, looks great now that it's sleeved) but your method probably would be easier.
     
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I'm planning to order 700 atx because I'm a newbie, planning 2 full set of cables, cheaper to buy one larger order. Saves on multiple shipping costs, not many places for buying high quality sleeving supplies offer free shipping regardless of how much you spend.

MDPC-X 15awg offers a fuller look but could be an issue with double crimps over the 17awg, 2.5mm OD vs 2.0mm OD. MDPC-X 17awg is comparable to some 16awg, cheaper 16awg hook up wire has 2.3mm-2.5mm OD. I could buy high quality 15awg from Mouser like Alpha Wire's 15awg, copper strand tinned, 2.1mm OD, 100ft for $70-80.

Planning on buying a Fluke multimeter and Knipex wire stripper. Even with 3 sources for pin out, OCN charts, OEM cables, Cablemod cables. Human error is the main reason I wouldn't attempt this without a multimeter.

30m of MDPC-X sata sleeving & 10m of MDPC-X medium heatshrink is also on my order list.
A lot of the wire strippers (Knipex, Molex, etc.) are just rebranded Pressmaster strippers. You can get Pressmaster Embla’s at McMaster-Carr. https://www.mcmaster.com/#7221k24/=19xw3z0
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See, I told you it was a dumb question. I get it now. It could be done with one heatshrink the way I was thinking by offsetting the two second splits but the results would look exactly as what you got once sleeved (which, btw, looks great now that it's sleeved) but your method probably would be easier.

I played around with a few different ways. I found this way the easiest & cleanest. I also didn't want to create a bigger OD then whats needed. I also wanted the heatshrink on the case side not in middle or near the actual connectors.
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A lot of the wire strippers (Knipex, Molex, etc.) are just rebranded Pressmaster strippers. You can get Pressmaster Embla’s at McMaster-Carr. https://www.mcmaster.com/#7221k24/=19xw3z0

I still went with Molex, if anything went wrong or need support I know Molex would be there to help. Not sure on whoever PressMaster is. Plus it's easier to order from Mouser then that website. These strippers are amazing. These replaced my old Knipex strippers which couldn't strip small wiring properly (22AWG at certain OD & couldn't even strip the wiring on BeQuiet fans).
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I'm planning to order 700 atx because I'm a newbie, planning 2 full set of cables, cheaper to buy one larger order. Saves on multiple shipping costs, not many places for buying high quality sleeving supplies offer free shipping regardless of how much you spend.

MDPC-X 15awg offers a fuller look but could be an issue with double crimps over the 17awg, 2.5mm OD vs 2.0mm OD. MDPC-X 17awg is comparable to some 16awg, cheaper 16awg hook up wire has 2.3mm-2.5mm OD. I could buy high quality 15awg from Mouser like Alpha Wire's 15awg, copper strand tinned, 2.1mm OD, 100ft for $70-80.

Planning on buying a Fluke multimeter and Knipex wire stripper. Even with 3 sources for pin out, OCN charts, OEM cables, Cablemod cables. Human error is the main reason I wouldn't attempt this without a multimeter.

30m of MDPC-X sata sleeving & 10m of MDPC-X medium heatshrink is also on my order list.

4 dollars is not bad for shipping cost (It's the cost from Mouser). 9 dollar still isn't to bad from MDPC-X, specially since it's coming from Germany. I had to pay 30+ dollars on another order that also came from Germany(Not MDPC-X). Difference between Fedex vs Local Post.

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I suggest going with Molex wire strippers over Knipex. I have all versions Knipex sells, They have issues stripping certain OD wiring & it butchers some higher OD wiring. The
12-50-200 & 12 42 195 (These are the 100 dollar+ versions) has issues stripping 22 AWG at certain OD and doesn't even strip wiring anything above 24 AWG. It butchered 16 AWG wiring I had (2.5 OD).

The 12-62 which is the one allot of people use, it only does down to 6mm. You need to go down much lower for all PC wiring around 4mm mark.

Molex versions allows you to go all the way down to 1mm stripping & allows you to adjust the thickness cut strength (It will work for almost ever OD out these).

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I have double crimped 2.5+ OD wiring.




Make sure you double check the order list & make sure all terminals you need is on the list. Sata, Mini Fit Jr. Molex, Dupont (If needed), Fan, etc... If you need both male & female there on the list. Then get the matching connectors as well.

There always that moment, that you think back & you forgot to add X part.


You also might want to grab an X-Acto knife & flush cutters.
Edited by Revan654 - 10/25/17 at 11:24am
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