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Glad to see the hand-wave and gaslight brigade has come to remind the forum that they don't care of anything beyond themselves. It's ironic, almost hypocritical that these folks who don't care about "things that don't affect them" would absolutely lose their mind if another person acted against them in such a way that didn't affect themselves, but had a major impact on their own lives. The egocentrism is strong in here.
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If you look at population densities europe is one of the most densely populated places on earth. It kinda boggles the mind that they're so desperate to grow their populations that they're willing to flood their countries with "refugees" when they're massively overpopulated already. India is pretty bad. India is probably the most overpopulated, and china is misleading. They only have 145 people per sq km, but I think a good chunk of china is unpopulated (or sparsely populated) desert and mountainous regions and I don't know enough about their country to judge if that 145 people per sq/km is accurate. Africa doesn't seem to be all that densely populated (somalia is at 19 people per sq km, s.africa 42, "democratic" republic of congo 34, ect) which makes one wonder why they can't even seem to feed themselves. S.America is low densities too, brazil at 24 people per sq km, venezuela 33, peru 23, argentina 14, ect.

For comparison India has 394 per sq km, Germany has 227, the UK has 270, france 103, the USA 35, canada a whopping 4, though you can probably double canada's since half of our country is tundra (bring on the global warming).

For some actual real world land use Alberta-Canada has 6.35 people per sq km and with that many people around half of the province is wilderness while around half is farmland and urban areas. To me that's a good mix, half wild, half tame, though I would like some non partisan and well thought out scientific studies showing what level of land use humans can implement and still have healthy ecosystems. But it makes me wonder how we're supposed to "save" the planet when even miniscule population densities of 6.3 people per sq/km we're putting at least half of our land to human use and only leaving half free for the animals to use. How is a place like the UK with 40 times our population supposed to maintain a healthy ecosystem?

If people really cared about the environment they'd be talking about implementing population density taxes instead of carbon taxes.

You literally dont know what you are talking about.

Europe is not inviting refugees anywhere,people are leaving the shores of Africa and the middle east in unseaworthy bloody dinghies supplied by unscrupulous scum which sink in the Med and are then picked up by Coastguards.
Or perhaps they are fleeing genocide.....or the results of ridiculous US involvement causing their countries to collapse into anarchy.

Taxes are not the way forward either,you cant just tax people into doing whats best,you make and enforce laws to make it socially unacceptable instead.

Quite frankly,your opinion is disgusting,unfounded and unresearched. I am amazed that you have the audacity to even post in this thread armed with a world view like yours.....
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Insects don't like Germany anymore. Too many cars. They moved away. Anything else ?
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If people really cared about the environment they'd be talking about implementing population density taxes instead of carbon taxes.

And who pays these taxes? Those responsible for it or the entire population of that country? Do people get tax returns at the end of the year based on the deaths during that tax year? Who gets the return?

Apart from technical problems in such a tax policy, are you really suggesting you want to tax someone for being alive and that some people from country X are more deserving to be alive than some from country Y?
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And who pays these taxes? Those responsible for it or the entire population of that country? Do people get tax returns at the end of the year based on the deaths during that tax year? Who gets the return?

Apart from technical problems in such a tax policy, are you really suggesting you want to tax someone for being alive and that some people from country X are more deserving to be alive than some from country Y?

I see population densities as the root of the problem. It is high population densities that cause high emissions, that cause habitat loss (which I would guess is the insect biomass decrease issue), which cause all the problems plaguing the planet. Why attack the symptoms (emissions) when it is the high population densities that are causing those emissions to be out of control. And if the globalists can insist that everyone pay carbon taxes I'm sure they could make everyone pay population density taxes instead.

But leaving taxes aside, it would be nice to just see a single govt advocate for ZPG instead of all being insane lemming addicted to infinite growth. The population of canada would be falling without immigration but the govt is so addicted to growth, and so desperate for their ponzi scheme benefits programs not to collapse that they act like it is a unquestionable fact of life that populations have to grow so they import ever increasing amounts of immigrants to keep the population growing. A lot of first world countries have reached this point where they could be shrinking their populations naturally and easily without having to do anything but they are all using unfettered immigration to keep the population growing. I don't have an issue with immigration, I have an issue with the infinite growth model our elites are addicted to. And given each new person in the first world is a new first world emitter you would think caring about emissions and advocating for immigration would be mutually exclusive.

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You literally dont know what you are talking about.

Europe is not inviting refugees anywhere,people are leaving the shores of Africa and the middle east in unseaworthy bloody dinghies supplied by unscrupulous scum which sink in the Med and are then picked up by Coastguards.
Or perhaps they are fleeing genocide.....or the results of ridiculous US involvement causing their countries to collapse into anarchy.

Taxes are not the way forward either,you cant just tax people into doing whats best,you make and enforce laws to make it socially unacceptable instead.

Quite frankly,your opinion is disgusting,unfounded and unresearched. I am amazed that you have the audacity to even post in this thread armed with a world view like yours.....

You addressed literally nothing I posted and instead resorted to name calling and insults. So I will respond in kind: Squawk on chicken little. I'm sure if you scream loud enough that the sky is falling sooner or later someone will believe you. "this is the end times" lol
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Insects don't like Germany anymore. Too many cars. They moved away. Anything else ?

Now, before posting this, did you read the article or research at all?
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Interesting article. What I would really like to know though is what's going on with the bees? I'm being serious here. Where I live, I'll see a bee flying around and then it'll just fall to the ground, dead. Like, ***? Sometimes I'll see three or four of them a day like that...just flying along and then die. Kind of concerning, as bees are an integral part of the ecosystem.

When it comes to spiders though, good riddance, lol. Maybe one of these days somebody will come out with a study about why they love to hang out in bathroom showers laughingsmiley.gif
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When it comes to spiders though, good riddance, lol. Maybe one of these days somebody will come out with a study about why they love to hang out in bathroom showers laughingsmiley.gif

Spiders? We get fairly large fishing spiders during the warmer months here, but they're pretty much harmless (and beneficial). Found one that I think had just shed its old shell drying itself atop a bottle of pills I had left under a lamp on my desk, not too long back. Get them all the time in the middle of the woods.

What I've found lately by me and never really had a problem with before are these largish (house?) centipedes sitting in the kitchen sink (that seem similar to something like this):



Though they seem to have trouble climbing up the sides of the sink, they're really fast little buggers. Imagine that scurrying after your gals all around your living rooms. Like the spiders though, they're beneficial as well. I usually try to catch them, then put them outside. Makes everyone else squeamish of course.
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Spiders? We get fairly large fishing spiders during the warmer months here, but they're pretty much harmless (and beneficial). Found one that I think had just shed its old shell drying itself atop a bottle of pills I had left under a lamp on my desk, not too long back. Get them all the time in the middle of the woods.

What I've found lately by me and never really had a problem with before are these largish (house?) centipedes sitting in the kitchen sink (that seem similar to something like this):



Though they seem to have trouble climbing up the sides of the sink, they're really fast little buggers. Imagine that scurrying after your gals all around your living rooms. Like the spiders though, they're beneficial as well. I usually try to catch them, then put them outside. Makes everyone else squeamish of course.

I know spiders are generally beneficial to ecosystems, but I have real bad arachnophobia. Like, I can't even look at pictures of spiders without getting nervous, lol. In my house, we tend to get these medium sized ( I mean if I had to guess) fat black/brown ones, but they aren't black widows (I've actually seen one in the garage before though.) just annoying creepy things. They like to perch themselves in places that are hard to reach, like ceiling corners. Hockey sticks work wonders lol.

And that picture totally gave me the creeps. Too many legs!! ph34r-smiley.gif
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You literally dont know what you are talking about.

Europe is not inviting refugees anywhere,people are leaving the shores of Africa and the middle east in unseaworthy bloody dinghies supplied by unscrupulous scum which sink in the Med and are then picked up by Coastguards.
Or perhaps they are fleeing genocide.....or the results of ridiculous US involvement causing their countries to collapse into anarchy.

Taxes are not the way forward either,you cant just tax people into doing whats best,you make and enforce laws to make it socially unacceptable instead.

Quite frankly,your opinion is disgusting,unfounded and unresearched. I am amazed that you have the audacity to even post in this thread armed with a world view like yours.....

it baffles me that, in 2017, giving a [redacted] about our planet is taken so unseriously by so many
 
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