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well its new monitor time,,im looking at getting a gtx 1070,and a new monitor
i havent decided to go 2560x1080p or 2560 x1440p
my main guestion is the responce time
right now im using a 970 and a ASUS 1080p at 60hz with 2ms responce time,,5 years old
well most affordable monitors are 4ms responce time

according to my EVGA onsceen display im currently getting 16 ms frame time/at 60 FPS,what exactly does
the frametime part mean
if i get a 60hz 2560x1440p monitor how is the 4ms vs my current 2ms responce time going to be
is it going to be horrible diiference or am i even going to notice it
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You won't notice. You're probably not even using the 2ms response time anyway. The default setting for such monitors is usually about 4ms. You have to actually select the setting that turns on the faster response time, and this results in visible trails for bright objects. So, it's a trade-off. I hate faster response times for that reason and so I use the 4ms setting (I am assuming my default is 4ms just like most monitors). Even so, if I choose my monitor's fastest response time, I do notice that motion is smoother - but again, I hate it because of the visible trails with motion.

 

Frametime is how much time it is taking to draw 1 frame. It's never constant either. You can watch your frametimes in MSI Afterburner as well.

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Originally Posted by TwoCables View Post

You won't notice. You're probably not even using the 2ms response time anyway. The default setting for such monitors is usually about 4ms. You have to actually select the setting that turns on the faster response time, and this results in visible trails for bright objects. So, it's a trade-off. I hate faster response times for that reason and so I use the 4ms setting (I am assuming my default is 4ms just like most monitors). Even so, if I choose my monitor's fastest response time, I do notice that motion is smoother - but again, I hate it because of the visible trails with motion.

Frametime is how much time it is taking to draw 1 frame. It's never constant either. You can watch your frametimes in MSI Afterburner as well.

Yeah like TwoCables said, you aren't going to notice, probably even a professional gamer is not going to notice ... although they are probably too consumed with the game to notice this kind of thing. 2ms is 2 thousandths of a second. Think about how short of a time that is. You can barely perceive .1 of a second (100 ms), your reaction times are probably between 175ms and 250ms, your internet connection probably has a latency of 20 - 70ms. Might be on a wifi connection with a few ms there also. Once you count all that up, 2 ms is hard to worry about, especially when you think about how long 2 ms is.
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Yeah like TwoCables said, you aren't going to notice, probably even a professional gamer is not going to notice ... although they are probably too consumed with the game to notice this kind of thing. 2ms is 2 thousandths of a second. Think about how short of a time that is. You can barely perceive .1 of a second (100 ms), your reaction times are probably between 175ms and 250ms, your internet connection probably has a latency of 20 - 70ms. Might be on a wifi connection with a few ms there also. Once you count all that up, 2 ms is hard to worry about, especially when you think about how long 2 ms is.

 

I can see and feel a difference between my default response time of 4ms and 1ms. I also saw it and felt it on my old Samsung 2253BW between 4ms and 2ms. It's smoother. Again though, that's at the cost of those trails I described. If the fastest response time didn't have those trails, then I'd be using it because it's that much better.

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post #5 of 6
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thank you very much peoples,,that answers all my questions,i understand now

you can add another 100ms cause I'm 52 years old
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so still 200 ms faster than most people who buy gaming monitors then
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