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Originally Posted by Ultracarpet View Post

There are bristol ridge APU's out right now. Also, Am4 is being used for a long time, so when the ryzen APUs drop, they will work with current motherboards. Why would you want less options?

You need to re-evaluate yourself if you every even consider buying Bristol Ridge. It's not worth talking about. As for Raven Ridge, you should be looking at cheaper boards with that. Raven Ridge tops out at 4 cores, so you'll only want to use it in lower-midrange systems really.
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It still irks me that mini itx is a smaller board than micro atx when technically the word micro is meant to denote something smaller when compared to mini at least. USB cables do it right, mini is larger than micro, who the hell messed up the MB naming scheme?
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You need to re-evaluate yourself if you every even consider buying Bristol Ridge. It's not worth talking about. As for Raven Ridge, you should be looking at cheaper boards with that. Raven Ridge tops out at 4 cores, so you'll only want to use it in lower-midrange systems really.

Actually bristol ridge offers decent igp performance for an insanely low price. It is a decent chip for an htpc and would be ok for light gaming. Some sff builds don't have room for a dedicated graphics card. Intel's igp is pretty close in overall performance, but their software is garbage, and their chips are double the price to begin with. If someone is waiting for Raven ridge for this use, and they don't want to buy into Intel's bad integrated graphics, bristol ridge isn't a bad stop gap. Having a nice motherboard which allows good OCing capability, plentiful i/o, and good sound support shouldn't be limited to people buying $400 cpu's.

Regardless, it has to do with the options for sff ryzen. All the motherboards have pretty big cons, these 2 are not exceptions. If these boards didn't have heat sinks and rgb they would look like $80 garbage tier boards.
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post #14 of 33
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It still irks me that mini itx is a smaller board than micro atx when technically the word micro is meant to denote something smaller when compared to mini at least. USB cables do it right, mini is larger than micro, who the hell messed up the MB naming scheme?

Well, it is micro ATX while the other is mini ITX. While I don't think there's going to be a new form factor anytime soon, it leaves the door open for just 'ITX' and 'micro ITX' tongue.gif.
 
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post #15 of 33
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Actually bristol ridge offers decent igp performance for an insanely low price. It is a decent chip for an htpc and would be ok for light gaming. Some sff builds don't have room for a dedicated graphics card. Intel's igp is pretty close in overall performance, but their software is garbage, and their chips are double the price to begin with. If someone is waiting for Raven ridge for this use, and they don't want to buy into Intel's bad integrated graphics, bristol ridge isn't a bad stop gap. Having a nice motherboard which allows good OCing capability, plentiful i/o, and good sound support shouldn't be limited to people buying $400 cpu's.

Regardless, it has to do with the options for sff ryzen. All the motherboards have pretty big cons, these 2 are not exceptions. If these boards didn't have heat sinks and rgb they would look like $80 garbage tier boards.

My point is that, for both of the mentioned instances, you'd want a board cheaper than what these will be. Those cheaper boards already exist. But really... No. There's nothing to redeem Bristol Ridge. It's overpriced garbage that'll chug horribly a year later for even the most basic Windows usage.
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Not enough SATA.
NVME H/S is too close to slot so backplates will be a struggle for W/C'rs.
Garbage VRM H/S.


But has RGB so all is forgiven.






/s


Plus point: I do like designing monoblocks for ITX.
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My point is that, for both of the mentioned instances, you'd want a board cheaper than what these will be. Those cheaper boards already exist. But really... No. There's nothing to redeem Bristol Ridge. It's overpriced garbage that'll chug horribly a year later for even the most basic Windows usage.

The cheaper boards suck. So do these. Bristol ridge is a stop gap for people not wanting Intel's garbage integrated graphics, and no, you are massively exaggerating how much CPU horsepower is required for most tasks.
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With no video out - does that mean zero HDCP compliance for (4K) web-video providers ?

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The cheaper boards suck. So do these. Bristol ridge is a stop gap for people not wanting Intel's garbage integrated graphics, and no, you are massively exaggerating how much CPU horsepower is required for most tasks.

The Bristol Ridge APUs are locked. You don't need a good board for them. Besides that, the Asrock AB350 seems fine.
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The Bristol Ridge APUs are locked. You don't need a good board for them. Besides that, the Asrock AB350 seems fine.

For one, they aren't locked. The motherboard support is just terrible because oem's are lazy when it comes to AMD. Further than that, Raven ridge won't be locked either, so people using bristol ridge as a stop gap will be very disappointed with what they have to pick from when it comes to motherboards.

The APUs were popular products before Ryzens release. Ryzen doesn't come with any integrated graphics options and Intel isn't really even a consideration, so in that regard, there is no chip in that niche right now other than Bristol Ridge. Regardless, I'm done trying to convince you of Bristol Ridge's relevance.

I have no idea why you are defending these garbage AM4 itx boards. Even if we remove bristol ridge from the equation, all current itx am4 motherboards have problems with vrms overheating/throttling. Maybe these two new ones from Asus will fix that, but it comes at the cost of audio i/o, usb inputs, video out. Every board smaller than ATX for Am4 comes with compromises. Quality, heatsinks, i/o, BIOS support, not to mention that a bunch of it was late to market.

I'm sitting here looking at my Asus z370 itx board that came out day one for coffee lake.. its i/o has 8 usb, wifi, 6 port audio, display port, and hdmi. Or, if you want to see what effort looks like, go look at ASrocks x299 mini itx. Somehow they managed to fit more i/o on that board than Asus did here. What you are seeing is absolute bare minimum effort for AM4. These boards on Intel's side would all be budget options.
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