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I've looked quite a bit at the current market and I think this is the year I finally pull the trigger on a new rig. I know RAM prices are bonkers and the GPU market is as dry as a desert, but I can't wait any longer.

My old rig is in my sig and it is going to be repurposed and bits of it will be either sold or kept as is. It has a few issues I cannot troubleshoot my way out of like sleeping when I don't want it to, Arma 3 memory crashes and other errors. I've decided to reinstall windows on it as well and clean the slate. Not all storage will come out of it, only the Crucial MX 100 for now. Maybe I can spare another SSD later, but for now I want to keep at least 1 SSD and the 1TB drive in this system so I can hand it down to family and not have it suck.

I will probably sell the GPU and get a dirt cheap one just to run a monitor. I will repurpose the CPU loop into this new rig, nothing at all wrong with the loop and thermals are great imo. I also plan to keep and transplant the PSU, which is why I have no PSU or cooling in the list. I'll pick up some bargain bin cooling GPU, PSU somewhere to keep my current rig running when I hand it down.

I have about $1500 or so to play with here, but I am including a monitor (and OS key) into that price. I'm also including the sale of my GPU ($80-125) to offset that.

Below PCPP list is where I've settled after many configs previously, I feel this is a very solid build, but need someone to glance at it before I go off and start buying.

I plan to get some parts at Microcenter like the Mobo and CPU (possibly the GPU) as they have good bundle pricing. IF anything is in stock lol. Otherwise I can do wherever is cheapest. I may wait for Black Friday/Cyber Monday to get some of the more expensive parts if they look to be in high stock in the days leading up to it.

Primary use case for this system is gaming - Arma 3 (high single core performance is a must, as is a decent GPU for UHD gaming.). I do some audio, photo and video editing/streaming, but not at the same time as I game, so I figure an i5 is a safe bet. I've had this i7 for years and it was great, but I don't think it ever helped in games.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel - Core i5-8600K 3.6GHz 6-Core Processor ($279.89 @ B&H)
Motherboard: MSI - Z370 KRAIT GAMING ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($159.89 @ OutletPC)
Memory: G.Skill - Trident Z RGB 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3000 Memory ($164.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung - 850 EVO-Series 500GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($159.99 @ B&H)
Storage: Seagate - Barracuda 3TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($74.71 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: EVGA - GeForce GTX 1070 8GB SC GAMING ACX 3.0 Black Edition Video Card ($424.98 @ Amazon)
Case: Fractal Design - Define C TG ATX Mid Tower Case ($79.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Monitor: BenQ - GW2765HT 27.0" 2560x1440 60Hz Monitor ($249.00 @ B&H)
Total: $1593.44
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-10-20 14:46 EDT-0400

Must haves: Fractal Define C TG, Good mobo with RGB accents, 2560x1440 monitor, Nvidia GPU that can drive that monitor around 60FPS.

Let me know what you think.
 
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From my build early last year, holy cow ram prices are bonkers now.

Build looks pretty solid, thinks to consider might be dropping and extra 100 bucks and getting the 8700k for 12 threads, higher base clock and likely better resale value. Personally I'd lose the mechanical drive and do that with basically your same budget. I don't need the storage space and could always use an external drive down the line.

The big upgrade would be 144hz and gsync, Possibly doable if you with Dell's TN 1440p g-gsync monitor, anything ips would probably blow your budget.
 
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From my build early last year, holy cow ram prices are bonkers now.

Build looks pretty solid, thinks to consider might be dropping and extra 100 bucks and getting the 8700k for 12 threads, higher base clock and likely better resale value. Personally I'd lose the mechanical drive and do that with basically your same budget. I don't need the storage space and could always use an external drive down the line.

The big upgrade would be 144hz and gsync, Possibly doable if you with Dell's TN 1440p g-gsync monitor, anything ips would probably blow your budget.
Thanks Purdue. RAM pricing is insane IMO. I don't understand it
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. I do understand the GPU increase due to miners
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I looked at that Dell monitor at first, but really don't need GSync because I don't play many FPS games seriously. The BenQ is IPS and I have always wanted one of those panels.

If I go to MicroCenter, I will consider what the combo price is on the 8700K vs. 8600K. I remember looking at the 675K and 875K there ages ago and went with the i7 due to a pricing error!

I would only use the 3TB drive as storage, I like the cloud as much as anyone, but like to have things local like music and photos. I have a 2Tb drive for external storage and backups already.

Quick edit: So Microcenter doesn't carry the MSI Krait board. They do carry the MSI Z370 GAMING M5. That is $30-40 more than the Krait. I'd have to get them to price match it too...which can be a hassle.
 
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As a 1440P user who had a GTX 1070 i can say that from personal experience a GTX 1070 is just barely enough for modern games in 1440P
Unless you are playing older games or you are willing to live with a few settings lowered a GTX 1070 is just barely capable of doing 60 FPS at 1440P

The GTX 1070 i had was defective so i returned and while the RMA was going the GTX 1080 had its price drop so i bought a GTX 1080 after i got a refund
After most testing i found that the GTX 1080 is on average about 30% faster in 1440P

If you cant afford a GTX 1080 then you might want to consider getting a 1080P monitor but with a higher refresh rate
Also note that the GPU you picked is the old SC1 card which had overheating problems so you should step up to an SC2 model no matter what you do
 
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Originally Posted by kd5151 View Post

Things I would change.

ASRock Extreme 4/k6 mobo
Step up to GTX 1080.
Considering it now...but it is pricey. That mobo is decent, has USB 3.1 front header, but my case won't. I don't see the benefit. It also isn't sold at Microcenter. Dang Microcenter!
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Originally Posted by shilka View Post

As a 1440P user who had a GTX 1070 i can say that from personal experience a GTX 1070 is just barely enough for modern games in 1440P
Unless you are playing older games or you are willing to live with a few settings lowered a GTX 1070 is just barely capable of doing 60 FPS at 1440P

The GTX 1070 i had was defective so i returned and while the RMA was going the GTX 1080 had its price drop so i bought a GTX 1080 after i got a refund
After most testing i found that the GTX 1080 is on average about 30% faster in 1440P

If you cant afford a GTX 1080 then you might want to consider getting a 1080P monitor but with a higher refresh rate
Also note that the GPU you picked is the old SC1 card which had overheating problems so you should step up to an SC2 model no matter what you do
I'd really rather have the extra resolution. I don't need a crazy high refresh rate. Arma and other games I play aren't really going to benefit by running over 60FPS anyhow.
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Originally Posted by kd5151 View Post

Maybe 1070Ti?
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Haha, I have thought about it. Is the "no overclocking" thing really true????? If so, forget it. Otherwise, I can wait about a month.
 
#9 ·
I think the no overclocking rumor has already been debunked. It would be foolish for Nvidia to release a card at that price bracket that's locked. I personally think the idea of the card doesn't make sense. It's going to cannibalize their lineup.
 
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1080 Version is doable for the added benefits and graphics horsepower. I think this is as good as I can do for now. Ticks all the boxes I think. Unless the 1070ti is way cheaper and is available (lol, it won't be) then I could wait for that.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel - Core i5-8600K 3.6GHz 6-Core Processor ($279.89 @ B&H)
Motherboard: MSI - Z370 KRAIT GAMING ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($159.89 @ OutletPC)
Memory: G.Skill - Trident Z RGB 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3000 Memory ($164.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung - 850 EVO-Series 500GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($159.99 @ B&H)
Storage: Seagate - Barracuda 3TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($74.71 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: EVGA - GeForce GTX 1080 8GB Superclocked Gaming ACX 3.0 Video Card ($519.89 @ B&H)
Case: Fractal Design - Define C TG ATX Mid Tower Case ($79.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Monitor: BenQ - GW2765HT 27.0" 2560x1440 60Hz Monitor ($249.00 @ B&H)
Total: $1688.35
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-10-20 16:28 EDT-0400
 
#11 ·
Dont know if you saw my last post about the SC1 cards but as i said they had problems with overheating and even a few cards catching fire

EVGA said they fixed the cards but unless you know for a fact that the card you are getting is a new card with the fixed cooling i would NOT get an SC1 card
The SC2 cards where released a little while after and they have improved cooling and other improvements

Either pick an SC2 card or pick a card from another brand
 
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I don't think we have a release date for the GTX 1070 Ti yet. It will be positioned between the 1070 and 1080 in terms of performance and price. Based on leaks, it seems like a cut down 1080. I think the 1080 will still be the better but for 1440p gaming. It will also have better resale value when it's time to upgrade.
 
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I'll look into some other GTX 1080s. This is the cheapest one I could find. Good thing is they do have it at Microcenter. Bad thing is no backplate.

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/FwcMnQ/msi-video-card-geforcegtx1080armor8goc

This Gigabyte G1 card looks like it is the cheapest card with some cool bells and whistles. Including RGB. Not available at Microcenter, and I've never bought from SuperBiiz.

https://www.superbiiz.com/detail.php?name=GA-N108-GI&c=CJ

Same goes for the ROG strix - there is a coupon on SuperBiiz for it as well $20 off!

https://www.superbiiz.com/detail.php?name=AS-S1080A8
 
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The GTX 1070 i had that was defective was a Gigabyte Xtreme Gaming card and besides that the cooler is made of cheap feeling flimsy plastic the software was god awful
Bought a G1 gaming card for another PC and the card had a fan profile so relaxed out of the box that the card would overheat and thermal throttle so i had to make a really aggressive fan profile and that just made the card loud

The Gigabyte cards are in my own personal experience point the cheapest for a reason
They can be really hit or miss as some their cards are okey like the newest Xtreme Gaming cards which i heard has a more solid cooler that wont bend and break as much as the old ones did

With that being said i am not buying Gigabyte any time soon
 
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Originally Posted by shilka View Post

The GTX 1070 i had that was defective was a Gigabyte Xtreme Gaming card and besides that the cooler is made of cheap feeling flimsy plastic the software was god awful
Bought a G1 gaming card for another PC and the card had a fan profile so relaxed out of the box that the card would overheat and thermal throttle so i had to make a really aggressive fan profile and that just made the card loud

The Gigabyte cards are in my own personal experience point the cheapest for a reason
They can be really hit or miss as some their cards are okey like the newest Xtreme Gaming cards which i heard has a more solid cooler that wont bend and break as much as the old ones did

With that being said i am not buying Gigabyte any time soon
Ever had an Asus card? I'm considering the ROG Strix above, it is actually cheaper than the Gigabyte card with coupon and has superior looks imo.
 
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I think the safest cards to but are EVGA. I have heard they have the best customer service and rarely hear about their cards having issues. In the event they do, their customer service takes care of it. I prefer MSI cards myself, mainly because they consistently have one of the best cooling solutions on the market.
 
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Originally Posted by kd5151 View Post

Maybe 1070Ti?
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Personally I would look for a lightly used GTX 1080. You can get them for under $500 right now, pretty much the same price as the 1070 Ti. You won't get a warranty but lots of people buy lightly used GPUs and have no problems at all. An overclocked used 1080 will still be better than any 1070 Ti, and may even be cheaper to buy.
 
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Originally Posted by SOCOM_HERO View Post

Ever had an Asus card? I'm considering the ROG Strix above, it is actually cheaper than the Gigabyte card with coupon and has superior looks imo.
I had both the triple slot 2 GB and the dual slot 4 GB GTX 680 CU II cards from Asus and while the both the dual slot 4 GB cards died to old age the 2 GB triple slot still works
That was the last time i had Asus cards so its been a while
 
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Originally Posted by moustang View Post

Personally I would look for a lightly used GTX 1080. You can get them for under $500 right now, pretty much the same price as the 1070 Ti. You won't get a warranty but lots of people buy lightly used GPUs and have no problems at all. An overclocked used 1080 will still be better than any 1070 Ti, and may even be cheaper to buy.
I'll look around and see what I find. I think the 1080 is what I will end up with, a 1070ti might not come out until too late anyhow. I am thinking of not waiting for Black Friday due to the lack of midrange-high end components being available or on sale enough for me to justify the insanity at my local MicroCenter (I have done Black Friday there before, it sucks). There are actually some good sales/coupons and rebates out now on the list below (I've manually edited a lot of the pricing to reflect this).

If Microcenter won't price match my SuperBiiz deal with coupon, I'll take a stab at this Ebay auction or buy now
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I had both the triple slot 2 GB and the dual slot 4 GB GTX 680 CU II cards from Asus and while the both the dual slot 4 GB cards died to old age the 2 GB triple slot still works
That was the last time i had Asus cards so its been a while
Well, every brand has its faults. My Sapphire 7950 had awful coil whine for a while and out of no where it stopped.

Update: I found a fantastic deal on the Gigabyte Aorus Gaming 7 and am buying ASAP since the sale ends soon. I'm debating getting a different case since the Fractal Define S doesn't have USB type C and that board has two onboard headers. May as well make use of them.

Anyone ever heard of the inWin 303C?

Here's what the PCPP list looks like now:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel - Core i5-8600K 3.6GHz 6-Core Processor ($279.89 @ B&H)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master - Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($29.99 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: Gigabyte - Z370 AORUS Gaming 7 (rev. 1.0) ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($199.99)
Memory: G.Skill - Trident Z RGB 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3000 Memory ($164.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung - 850 EVO-Series 500GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($139.99)
Storage: Toshiba - P300 3TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($74.99)
Video Card: Asus - GeForce GTX 1080 8GB ROG STRIX Video Card ($534.99)
Power Supply: Corsair - CXM 550W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply ($34.99 @ Newegg)
Operating System: Microsoft - Windows 10 Pro OEM 64-bit ($29.73)
Monitor: BenQ - GW2765HT 27.0" 2560x1440 60Hz Monitor ($249.00 @ B&H)
Other: IN WIN 303C BLACK Black SECC / Tempered Glass ATX Mid Tower Computer Case ($107.98 @ Newegg)
Other: TAX ($28.70)
Total: $1875.23
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-10-21 11:35 EDT-0400
 
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The Cooler Master 212 Evo is ancient and the Cryorig H7 has pretty much taken its place in the market
Its around $5-10 more and besides that its newer its also a better cooler and its more quiet
 
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The Cooler Master 212 Evo is ancient and the Cryorig H7 has pretty much taken its place in the market
Its around $5-10 more and besides that its newer its also a better cooler and its more quiet
Thanks. For literally $5 I'll try it. It is going on my old rig anyhow. I had a Hyper 212 before I got into watercooling and I liked, but installation sucked and the thermal grease I got in the Direct Contact Heatpipes was hard to clean out. I'll much prefer the H7 since it has a flat copper base.
 
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Update: So far I have the below PCPP list of what I have bought and what I need to get. I actually had to get my RAM at Best Buy since Amazon said shipping was 1-2 weeks minimum, and no one else carried decent RGB ram, even on the used side.

Newegg has the best deal on a few parts, while I am still working to find the best price for the Gigabyte GTX 1080, including Ebay, which has been difficult to pin down a good deal on. I have settled on that card for a few reasons. One being it works with the RGB Fusion software, another being it is one of the better 1080s on paper and is lighter weight than others, hopefully meaning less sag.

I have changed the case around a few times. While it would be nice to have USB 3.1 type C on the front of the case for futureproof-ness, I cannot find a decent case at a good price that has it outside of the In Win 303C or 101C. Looks like In Win cut some corners on those cases, especially with regard to airflow and ATX support (board is at the absolute bottom of the case). I think the Phanteks Enthoo Pro M Special Edition is easily the best for the money that supports amazing watercooling setups. As much as I wanted to get another Fractal case, their "basement" compartment doesn't have a place to mount a pump/res combo easily. The Phanteks case is specifically designed to hold one in many ways. The SE comes with a few 140MM fans and their RGB Halo rings, which are removable and can be added to existing fans.

Unfortunately, the budget has increased beyond what I originally wanted to spend ($1500-1750), but if I sell a few things from my current rig, it should come out in the wash. I'm still open to suggestions on anything that I haven't marked below as purchased. Reminder - the cooling and PSU are NOT for this system, they are going to replace the existing in my sig rig now. Swapping them out.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel - Core i5-8600K 3.6GHz 6-Core Processor (Purchased For $279.89)
CPU Cooler: CRYORIG - H7 49.0 CFM CPU Cooler ($34.99 @ Newegg Marketplace)
Motherboard: Gigabyte - Z370 AORUS Gaming 7 (rev. 1.0) ATX LGA1151 Motherboard (Purchased For $199.99)
Memory: Corsair - Vengeance RGB 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3000 Memory (Purchased For $170.99)
Storage: Samsung - 850 EVO-Series 500GB 2.5" Solid State Drive (Purchased For $134.99)
Storage: Toshiba - P300 3TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive (Purchased For $74.99)
Video Card: Gigabyte - GeForce GTX 1080 8GB G1 Gaming Video Card ($538.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Power Supply: Corsair - CXM 550W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply ($34.99 @ Newegg)
Operating System: Microsoft - Windows 10 Pro OEM 64-bit ($29.73)
Monitor: BenQ - GW2765HT 27.0" 2560x1440 60Hz Monitor (Purchased For $249.00)
Other: CableMod Addressable LED Strip 60cm - RGB (Purchased For $21.99)
Other: Phanteks Enthoo Pro M SE with 2 x Halos RGB Fan Frames, Integrated RGB lighting, Tempered Glass Side Panel - Black/White interior ($114.99 @ Newegg)
Other: TAX (Purchased For $42.21)
Total: $1927.74
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-10-22 17:48 EDT-0400
 
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Originally Posted by keikei View Post

Are you dead set on dat gigabyte card? ZOTAC GeForce GTX 1080 Mini $509.99
I'm pretty much dead set at this point.
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The PSU whille not bad is not really all that great either so if you can somehow find funds for it you might want to consider something better

While its twice the price at $70 the Seasonic G is much better
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817151119&cm_re=Seasonic_G-_-17-151-119-_-Product

Another $10 and you can get a fully modular Seasonic Focus Plus Gold
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817151189&cm_re=Seasonic_Focus-_-17-151-189-_-Product
No need. The PSU for this build isn't the one listed in the list. I'm swapping my AX750 in my current rig into the new one. The CXM550 PSU listed is the swap part.
 
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