Originally Posted by Avonosac
No no, please do defend your statements with something approaching skin deep perhaps even something approaching a useful discussion of the topic. The amount of money subsidized to the EV market is literally a drop in a bucket when compared to the amount of money the government is paying out to subsidize the oil industry. You can't defend assertions of crony capitalism with waving hands when facts knock your claims down immediately. It isn't his job to MAKE your argument for you, it's yours.
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I am usually well-capable of defending myself, but I just wasn't sure how to do it in this particular case.
You did it in most efficient way, and I thank you for that.
Now for the topic itself:
Originally Posted by rluker5
But you can go through the work of enlightening us on the facts and figures if you are inclined to spend the time to do it. It would only be fair if you did your part in the discussion.
Well, I used some Google-Fu skills, and found this link - http://priceofoil.org/fossil-fuel-subsidies/
I will not discuss whether it's some legit source or not, but I will put here just a part of article:
As of October 2017, Oil Change International estimates United States fossil fuel exploration and production subsidies at $20.5 billion annually. Other credible estimates of annual United States fossil fuel subsidies range from $10 billion to $52 billion annually – yet none of these include costs borne by taxpayers related to the climate, local environmental, and health impacts of the fossil fuel industry.
So USA alone are subsidizing oil industry by 4 times of anual goverment subsidies for Tesla. (per your LA Times link)
And here is party bonus:
Internationally, governments provide at least $775 billion to $1 trillion annually in subsidies, not including other costs of fossil fuels related to climate change, environmental impacts, military conflicts and spending, and health impacts.
I am having a really hard time to understand, why is it fair in your eyes to blame Tesla taking subsidies, and playing blind against other sizable subsidies.
If USA alone would drop 3/4 of those $20.5 billion directly at car makers and all those parties involved in eletric motors/batteries/fuel cells research, I bet we would be already half way done against complete cease of oil extraction.
Better yet - if all those countries would drop only 1/2 of those $1 trillion to research of solar energy harvesting, improving fuel cells design, or exploring new materials for batteries/super-capacitors - we would be already flying in planes which are ZERO emission.
Looking forward to hear from you.