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I am usually well-capable of defending myself, but I just wasn't sure how to do it in this particular case.
You did it in most efficient way, and I thank you for that.


Now for the topic itself:
Well, I used some Google-Fu skills, and found this link - http://priceofoil.org/fossil-fuel-subsidies/ .
I will not discuss whether it's some legit source or not, but I will put here just a part of article:
So USA alone are subsidizing oil industry by 4 times of anual goverment subsidies for Tesla. (per your LA Times link)
And here is party bonus:
I am having a really hard time to understand, why is it fair in your eyes to blame Tesla taking subsidies, and playing blind against other sizable subsidies.
If USA alone would drop 3/4 of those $20.5 billion directly at car makers and all those parties involved in eletric motors/batteries/fuel cells research, I bet we would be already half way done against complete cease of oil extraction.

Better yet - if all those countries would drop only 1/2 of those $1 trillion to research of solar energy harvesting, improving fuel cells design, or exploring new materials for batteries/super-capacitors - we would be already flying in planes which are ZERO emission.

Looking forward to hear from you.

So, how much per ic car is that? $30,000? A lot of that fossil fuel powers the power plants that recharge Teslas. So Musk is getting that too. Geez.
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So, how much per ic car is that? $30,000? A lot of that fossil fuel powers the power plants that recharge Teslas. So Musk is getting that too. Geez.

Please....just....walk away. You aren’t equipped for this conversation, nor even on the objectively correct side of it.
    
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rluker5 as well as the manufacture of the car and parts tongue.gif
     
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Please....just....walk away. You aren’t equipped for this conversation, nor even on the objectively correct side of it.

I guess Tesla doesn't need ZEV credits since they are not a subsidy and Tesla makes a profit on each car. I guess they also don't need the $7500 fed + misc $k state buyer subsidy since they are such a bargain. And I need to get with the times, no ZEV would use power from the 65% that is generated in the US from fossil fuels, they filter those electrons out because the nature of the electron in metals makes that easy. Those people that have them exclusively pay the rate that it costs the power companies to generate via solar and wind, unsubsidized of course, unlike that deadbeat fossil fuel generation. Good thing admonishment wins arguments so easily or I might have kept a bunch of silly notions.


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I guess Tesla doesn't need ZEV credits since they are not a subsidy and Tesla makes a profit on each car. I guess they also don't need the $7500 fed + misc $k state buyer subsidy since they are such a bargain. And I need to get with the times, no ZEV would use power from the 65% that is generated in the US from fossil fuels, they filter those electrons out because the nature of the electron in metals makes that easy. Those people that have them exclusively pay the rate that it costs the power companies to generate via solar and wind, unsubsidized of course, unlike that deadbeat fossil fuel generation. Good thing admonishment wins arguments so easily or I might have kept a bunch of silly notions./s

Why am I not surprised you didn't listen.

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So, how much per ic car is that? $30,000? A lot of that fossil fuel powers the power plants that recharge Teslas. So Musk is getting that too. Geez.

Shhh, no facts. You'll ruin the groupthink in this thread.
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So, how much per ic car is that? $30,000? A lot of that fossil fuel powers the power plants that recharge Teslas. So Musk is getting that too. Geez.

I am done. I was talking about oil (mineral oil/petroleum) extraction.
But you realized that your arguments have been pulled apart, so now you threw here old "fossil fuel" mantra ?
Which is a completely different thing from the one we discussed is subsidized ? biggrin.gif

Do you realize that my previous answer stands still ?
Because only 1/2 of those subsidies for research, and we wouldn't need coal mines at all, which in turn wouldn't supply Teslas with energy.
Oh btw, those coal mines are supplying fossil fuel power plants, which in turn provides electricity probably also to your home.
I hope you are ready to stop using it in your home, because otherwise it makes you hypocrite.

Geez.
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I am done. I was talking about oil (mineral oil/petroleum) extraction.
But you realized that your arguments have been pulled apart, so now you threw here old "fossil fuel" mantra ?
Which is a completely different thing from the one we discussed is subsidized ? biggrin.gif

Do you realize that my previous answer stands still ?
Because only 1/2 of those subsidies for research, and we wouldn't need coal mines at all, which in turn wouldn't supply Teslas with energy.
Oh btw, those coal mines are supplying fossil fuel power plants, which in turn provides electricity probably also to your home.
I hope you are ready to stop using it in your home, because otherwise it makes you hypocrite.

Geez.

I know it's completely off-topic but your profile pic always makes me smile.
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I know it's completely off-topic but your profile pic always makes me smile.

Better than the 'topic', anyway. Jumping from a factless and feckless troll spouting nonsense isn't exactly derailing anything of value.
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