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Hi all!

Figured I'd put this here since I'm running an Intel CPU, but this question is more for my entire rig.

My setup is as follows:

Core i5-3570k OC'd to 4.5GHz @ 1.22Vcore
Biostar TZ77A Mobo
Arctic Freezer i30 Pro
4x2GB G.Skill DDR3 RAM (This may actually be 4x4, will double check)
Gigabyte Radeon R9 380X 4GB G1 Gaming GPU
1x Samsung 850 EVO 250GB SSD
1x Samsung 840 EVO 250GB SSD
2x WD 2TB HDDs


Overall, I feel like my system's performance is "pretty solid", especially considering the age of some of my components, but I still feel like I can do more.

I've seen some people push the 3570k up into the 4.6-4.8GHz range, and I've also heard of RAM and GPU overclocking although I haven't done those. I ran the program from Userbenchmark and it put my PC squarely in the middle of performance for systems with my specs, although in the breakdown it gave me a fairly above average score in CPU performance, a slightly below average score in GPU performance and a notably lower than average (read: 97th percentile) rating on one of my SSDs.

For what I do with it, the GPU is most notably the weak point in the system, although better speed out of my SSDs would be appreciated for sure. I do some casual gaming, a lot of photo editing/graphic design and general multitasking -- it's not uncommon to have Photoshop CC, Discord, Chrome and perhaps even a game of Civ open at the same time.

What I would like is perhaps a little more desktop usability, general speed and responsiveness. Although I don't game as often, I do like to make sure I have good details and framerates. It is worth noting that my primary monitor is also an LG 21:9 1080 monitor, so I do realize that it will need a little more power to match the framerates of a typical 16:9 setup.

Anywho, if there are any general optimization/power tricks I can do to help eke out some more performance from my rig, I'm all ears. Bonus points for low/no buck modifications/upgrades.
post #2 of 9
Optimize how many processes you're running: http://www.blackviper.com/service-configurations/black-vipers-windows-10-service-configurations/ (for example I have 40 at boot)
Overclock your GPU. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Trc_zWkq-R4
4.5ghz is the sweet spot for a i5 3570k imo.


I think we have very similar builds
I have the same CPU, a similar GPU in performance, 21:9 2560x1080 LG monitor.
Edited by paulerxx - 10/21/17 at 1:58pm
post #3 of 9
Better SSD performance wouldn't make much of a difference. Overclocking your GPU would net minor gains, but could be the difference between playable frames and barely playable frames. If you only have 8GB RAM, that's your bottleneck considering your use. If it's 16GB, it's acceptable. Overclocking RAM usually comes at the expense of higher latency so overall bandwidth will be similar. You wouldn't feel the performance difference anyway.

For the future, you'll want to add either cores or threads. Moving to a newer 4C/4T CPU means you only gain in IPC and would be a mediocre upgrade at best. For your video card, a Vega 56 would be a decent upgrade if you want to stay red. If you don't mind going green, a GTX 1070 would be good.
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Originally Posted by paulerxx View Post

Optimize how many processes you're running: http://www.blackviper.com/service-configurations/black-vipers-windows-10-service-configurations/ (for example I have 40 at boot)
Overclock your GPU. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Trc_zWkq-R4
4.5ghz is the sweet spot for a i5 3570k imo.


I think we have very similar builds
I have the same CPU, a similar GPU in performance, 21:9 2560x1080 LG monitor.

Startup programs is definitely something I'd like to address, and have been meaning to. Although my usual method of dealing with this is to reformat & re-install, since it lets me get rid of a bunch of other garbage at the same time.

Also, I just want to take a moment to say how much I absolutely adore my 21:9 screen. At least in games that can make good use of the space, and don't lock out or limit the FOV needlessly.
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Better SSD performance wouldn't make much of a difference. Overclocking your GPU would net minor gains, but could be the difference between playable frames and barely playable frames. If you only have 8GB RAM, that's your bottleneck considering your use. If it's 16GB, it's acceptable. Overclocking RAM usually comes at the expense of higher latency so overall bandwidth will be similar. You wouldn't feel the performance difference anyway.

For the future, you'll want to add either cores or threads. Moving to a newer 4C/4T CPU means you only gain in IPC and would be a mediocre upgrade at best. For your video card, a Vega 56 would be a decent upgrade if you want to stay red. If you don't mind going green, a GTX 1070 would be good.

I'm a ways away from building a new rig. I was eyeballing Coffee Lake stuff recently but when I started adding it up for a new CPU, motherboard and RAM (especially with DDR4 prices) that have the features and performance I want, it gets pretty close price-wise to what I paid for my entire rig at the moment. Although I was pretty frugal about what, and when, I made purchases for this rig.

A new graphics card is definitely in the pipeline before then, considering I got the R9 380X around the time the RX 480 came out, which is nearing a year and a half now. Also for whatever it's worth, I like nVidia more and have historically run their cards. I got the R9 380X for a song but have had enough headaches with the modern AMD stuff that I'll be sticking with Intel/nVidia for the forseeable future. For now, the R9 380X is certainly serviceable and pulls decent framerates (45-60) in nearly everything I play on medium or better settings, but with the extra pixels from the 21:9 some more power would never hurt. I have a feeling that when the time and finances come, I'll be hunting down cards that perform solidly in 1440p applications so I know that I'll have the power to handle 21:9.

I suppose I was mainly curious about the SSD performance because it ranked so low in benchmarks, although the site did suggest to verify that SSDs are plugged into the SATA3 6.0Gbps ports on the motherboard and I'm not certain if that's the case with mine. I'll certainly be reviewing that likely tomorrow, to make sure I'm not giving unnecessary SATA bandwidth to one or both of my HDDs when my SSDs could make much better use of them.

Also I'm definitely aware of the cores/threads point. I was comparing marks between the 3570k and other, more modern Intel 4/4 CPUs and the gain simply isn't substantial enough to spend the money, or even really consider. Again, I'd like to go with a new Coffee Lake chip considering the notable improvement from the 3570k (to be expected after five generations, I'm sure) but then the issue becomes cost and, for all intents and purposes, my CPU certainly doesn't feel like it's limiting me.

I did double check on the RAM -- definitely 8GB in here. That was probably fine back four years ago when I built this thing but my workload has changed and I'll definitely be getting that changed out very soon. Also, thank you for the note on the RAM overclocking.
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Windows 7 or Windows 10?
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Windows 7 or Windows 10?

Sorry, forgot to mention it.

Windows 10 x64 Home.

I've been debating rolling back to 7.
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Use this guide: https://fdossena.com/?p=w10debotnet/index_1709.frag (FALL CREATORS UPDATE ONLY)
I use it, not because I really care about the privacy-side of things but because I didn't pay to have it running in the background stealing my CPU cycles.
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The first upgrade you should look to make is definitely to your video card. Moving to a GTX 1070 is pretty much all you need.

I didn't even think about the SATA ports. SSDs would definitely saturate SATA II. If they don't saturate SATA III, it would come pretty close. I'm not sure how much you would feel the difference though.

I know Ivy Bridge and Coffee Lake are technically five generations apart, but in actuality they're more like three generations apart. Haswell, of course, brought a new architecture and Broadwell gave us a die shrink. Due to issues with the 14nm process, Broadwell didn't see the full lineup release we had grown accustomed to and went mostly forgotten. Intel also decided to focus more on the iGPU for Broadwell when enthusiasts don't use integrated graphics. Puzzling. Skylake, Kaby Lake, and Coffee Lake should honestly be considered one generation since they're all on the same lithography and architecture. Kaby Lake and Coffee Lake have brought optimizations with the former giving us very little incrementally and the latter finally giving us what we've been wanting on mainstream platforms for years. It's worth noting that you should be able to get a decent return on your CPU, motherboard, and RAM should you decide to upgrade in the near future. The amount of RAM hurts resale value, though.
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Use this guide: https://fdossena.com/?p=w10debotnet/index_1709.frag (FALL CREATORS UPDATE ONLY)
I use it, not because I really care about the privacy-side of things but because I didn't pay to have it running in the background stealing my CPU cycles.

I've done this in the past but thanks for the reminder -- I've heard that Win10 has been known to revert some settings to standard.

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Originally Posted by chessmyantidrug View Post

The first upgrade you should look to make is definitely to your video card. Moving to a GTX 1070 is pretty much all you need.

I didn't even think about the SATA ports. SSDs would definitely saturate SATA II. If they don't saturate SATA III, it would come pretty close. I'm not sure how much you would feel the difference though.

I know Ivy Bridge and Coffee Lake are technically five generations apart, but in actuality they're more like three generations apart. Haswell, of course, brought a new architecture and Broadwell gave us a die shrink. Due to issues with the 14nm process, Broadwell didn't see the full lineup release we had grown accustomed to and went mostly forgotten. Intel also decided to focus more on the iGPU for Broadwell when enthusiasts don't use integrated graphics. Puzzling. Skylake, Kaby Lake, and Coffee Lake should honestly be considered one generation since they're all on the same lithography and architecture. Kaby Lake and Coffee Lake have brought optimizations with the former giving us very little incrementally and the latter finally giving us what we've been wanting on mainstream platforms for years. It's worth noting that you should be able to get a decent return on your CPU, motherboard, and RAM should you decide to upgrade in the near future. The amount of RAM hurts resale value, though.

Funny you mention resale, I've literally never sold old equipment after use. If anything the i5-3570k will probably get relegated to LAN duties, maybe after getting put on a smaller mobo and in a smaller case, since my current config is more than capable for the games my group of friends plays. But I guess the flipside to that is if I can get a one or two hundred bucks back in my pocket, that helps soften the blow of new equipment.
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