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You're going to have a tough time proving that. And no, your personal experience or experience with friends doesn't count as statistical proof.

Each gamer has a finite about of time they spend playing games. Theoretically, any time that does not contribute to playing EA's micro transaction games is a detriment to them, as their business model is shifting toward a continuous micro trans profit model.

Does your ignorance make you feel superior? wink.gif

I agree with you, however I believe the licensing model could do with some regulatory oversight.

Not that we'll see it in video games, it just isn't a big enough issue, but with the movement of core services and software to cloud based solutions this might get a bit more scrutiny in the future as those services start being shutdown or discontinued.

Personally I feel that the moment a company stops supporting a product, whether licensed or not, it should be fair game to do whatever you like to that software in order to render it functional again.

In this instance EA's takedown request was actually pretty civil, and the wording seems to suggest they primarily had an issue with them distributing game clients rather than reverse engineering server support. That seems reasonable enough to me.
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Doesn't hurt them in the slightest. People playing discontinued games aren't the ones running out to buy the newest titles. There's literally nothing damaging about this for ea

You missed the part where I mentioned unauthorized use of trademarked material. That absolutely hurts EA. Arguably distribution of abandonware doesn't, but the lawyers sure seem to think it does.

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The games are no longer supported by any means. They are officially not supported. By all means. And if i bought it 10 years ago, why i wouldn't want to keep playing multiplayer on it? Like, i can do whatever i want with it. I am not selling it to make profit.

You bought a license to play the game. You did not purchase the game. The license has terms, and these servers violate those terms.
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You missed the part where I mentioned unauthorized use of trademarked material. That absolutely hurts EA. Arguably distribution of abandonware doesn't, but the lawyers sure seem to think it does.

Even with abandonware, it's still EA IP (Battlefield) which does have actual software people can buy and use.

   
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You missed the part where I mentioned unauthorized use of trademarked material. That absolutely hurts EA. Arguably distribution of abandonware doesn't, but the lawyers sure seem to think it does.
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You bought a license to play the game. You did not purchase the game. The license has terms, and these servers violate those terms.

Obviously you missed the part of common knowledge where people could pretty much guess the corporate stance on this type of activity. You seem to think that "hurrr it's unauthorized" is new information which might be why you rushed to defend and justify EA's reasoning

The whole point of putting this kind stuff in the news is to show how greedy these corporations are, going to lengths to protect dead IP from people who just want to enjoy it (not sell or profit from). God forbid EA work with part of their user base in a human way
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Yes, absolutely EA is within its rights. This only serves to illustrate two points:

1. Intellectual property sucks. Maybe it shouldn't be done away with entirely, but this permanent IP allocation is beyond stupid.

2. EA sucks, literally. It has to suck every franchise it has completely bone dry and even then won't give it up. BF1942, Vietnam, BF2, and BF2142 were the highlights, all the EA era BF games although maybe not complete trash always, were darn lackluster compared to the good years. And that isn't rose-tinted glasses talking - I could probably write a thesis about why they are worse.
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Yes, absolutely EA is within its rights. This only serves to illustrate two points:

1. Intellectual property sucks. Maybe it shouldn't be done away with entirely, but this permanent IP allocation is beyond stupid.

2. EA sucks, literally. It has to suck every franchise it has completely bone dry and even then won't give it up. BF1942, Vietnam, BF2, and BF2142 were the highlights, all the EA era BF games although maybe not complete trash always, were darn lackluster compared to the good years. And that isn't rose-tinted glasses talking - I could probably write a thesis about why they are worse.

IP allocation isn't stupid, and copyright law has never lasted for only ten years. Battlefield 1942 was released in 2002. Even under the shortest term of copyright law in United States history, it'd still be protected until 2030.

Unless you think IP laws should go away entirely... In which case nothing is protected and the corporations like EA with lots of money can rip off your product, sell it for profit, and suffer no repercussions. (Though I guess piracy wouldn't be illegal since, as a concept, it wouldn't exist. So always online DRM would solve that. thumb.gif)
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Huh. 1942 was still up and running last time I checked, who hosts its servers? Or is it down now? I know BF2 had a long run, I'm a bit saddened it's over but not surprised.

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You missed the part where I mentioned unauthorized use of trademarked material. That absolutely hurts EA. Arguably distribution of abandonware doesn't, but the lawyers sure seem to think it does.
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You bought a license to play the game. You did not purchase the game. The license has terms, and these servers violate those terms.

Obviously you missed the part of common knowledge where people could pretty much guess the corporate stance on this type of activity. You seem to think that "hurrr it's unauthorized" is new information which might be why you rushed to defend and justify EA's reasoning

The whole point of putting this kind stuff in the news is to show how greedy these corporations are, going to lengths to protect dead IP from people who just want to enjoy it (not sell or profit from). God forbid EA work with part of their user base in a human way
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Are you kidding me. They're keeping your game alive for you. I can see the logic too, "They are keeping potential customers playing an old game instead of buying the new one." Well why don't you lower the price of your game or make it good enough to buy?

They're violating copyright law m8. EA has every to do this. Additionally, they were distributing copyrighted game code, which is highly illegal, and using trademarked material without permission. Copyright is implicitly protected but trademarks must be actively protected to avoid falling into public domain.
Of course this was going to end up in the news. EA has to issue the shut down. They have to. That is what his point is. He's not trying to be some knight protecting EA.
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I mean the issue is that EA doesn't even support the game, nor does it want to. I understand that EA is trying to make literally every last dollar, but they're not gonna get any sympathy points when they get bad PR c for it.
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I mean the issue is that EA doesn't even support the game, nor does it want to. I understand that EA is trying to make literally every last dollar, but they're not gonna get any sympathy points when they get bad PR c for it.

I really don't think EA care about sympathy points. They've been voted the worst company of the year multiple times in a row and they changed nothing. Bad PR also doesn't matter for a company as big as EA. They could literally open a place exclusively to kill kittens for no reason and they'd still make an insane amount of money.
   
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