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Thanks for the confirmation.

I agree the price is good for those specs. I paid $750 for my Galaxy S8+ during the preorder period and cracked my front glass last week. Repair cost $260 + $20 in tax so the thin and bezel-less design does really hurt durability. Won't deny how much I have loved using this screen though, can't wait til we get high refresh OLED monitors in the future. biggrin.gif

The thin bezel-less design, all glass design and inability to replace the battery (that ended with the s5 when Samsung realizes how profitable battery replacement service could be)? See post above. They don't need to make the back out of glass, they do it because you will drop your phone eventually and now they can make $300 fixing it.
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This is a big concern for me. Wouldn't mind buying a phone with smaller rollout from a less known company except that I want it to be widely supported due to market share and not have to worry that the maker will just drop support at some point or that they'll decide the smartphone market isn't worth it after all and support will dry up because of that. Even little things like trying to find cases and such for a small market phone can be a nightmare.

This phone... sounds good. Except for the no headphone jack crap. I like the stereo front speakers on my current phone, and you have to have a large bezel of some sort on the top and bottom to do that. I don't like the fragile feeling thin trend with phones so a thicker phone is good for me.

But razer. bleh. lol. Just the name alone is enough to make me leery of buying this phone. A company known for flashy trash isn't someone to buy a phone from.

No, a company known for flashy overpriced trash that invariably will break in 6 months is not a company I would be ready to entrust with $700 for a phone.

Their business model using wage arbitrage slave labor in China and pricing all plastic peripherals 700% above cost and then not standing behind their products was always a rape and pillage short term model emblematic of failed untrustworthy companies.

I truly hope they fail spectacularly. Maybe the next company will realize that a long term strategy with less short term profits is the way to go, and that building a quality product paying people a living wage is not only the right thing to do from an ethical perspective but in the end benefits all parties (would be consumers with disposal income to buy peripherals now that they have a living wage, what a concept!).
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This dude hasnt discovered the Multi-Quote function.
However it is quite plain to see he has an obvious dislike of Razer rolleyes.gif
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I personally think Razer products are cheap, gaudy, and low quality, but I applaud them for being able to always sell to consumers.

Razer has made many mediocre products and their reputation mainly comes from user experience. I've owned several of their peripherals in the past and none of them lasted longer than 1 year, specially with material durability, such as the rubber coating, not lasting very long. They do a great job at marketing though and sponsoring popular YouTubers or Twitch streamers always sucker the general population to buying their products.

No one is forcing anyone to buy this phone, so it baffles me that some people get offended with the price of new products.
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The thin bezel-less design, all glass design and inability to replace the battery (that ended with the s5 when Samsung realizes how profitable battery replacement service could be)? See post above. They don't need to make the back out of glass, they do it because you will drop your phone eventually and now they can make $300 fixing it.

I came from a Galaxy S5 that was rooted with a custom ROM, so I'm very familiar with the phone and would say the S8/S8+ is an upgrade in every aspect aside from durability. The "loss" of battery replacement wasn't a big deal since the original S5 battery would still allow 4-6 hours of straight heavy usage even after 3 years. With fast charging and wireless charging nowadays, battery life is honestly a non-issue, especially if you have a compact battery pack handy (some do fast charging). Even having USB-C without needing to fiddle with the S5's USB flap was a huge upgrade. wink.gif

The repair was expensive because to replace anything with the front screen or glass, they actually replace the front glass, OLED panel, metal bezel, motherboard and battery. This ensures the seals on the motherboard and battery are intact and you retain waterproof properties. If you've ever watched a disassembly or front glass replacement video for the S8, you will not want to try it for yourself.
    
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The thing with Apple is they don't have original ideas and they do steal ideas but usually they implement everything so well. Its not really always about being first anyway. Its about creating a product that works well and people want to use, and the numbers show Apple does that very well.

Either way every tech company steals ideas off of each other and improves on them and that is how tech advances.

Now Apple users claiming Apple invented everything is annoying, but let them live in that little fantasy world if they want.....after all they paid 1K for a phone and they have to justify it to themselves somehow. biggrin.gif

Agreed. They may not have been first for a lot of things, but there's a huge benefit to watching the first company fail.. Say the iPad. Toshiba had tried to pull off tablet computers years before, but battery and screen technology wasn't there, not to mention there weren't any proper mobile chips at the time (Pentium 3 was the "king" at the time). Toshiba failed due to underpowered specs and poor battery life, while trying to replicate a full desktop at the same time.

Apple came into it years later with good battery life thanks to newer technology for screens and batteries, and a proper mobile processor. Oh, and a tailored experience that people were receptive to.


They did the same thing with their iPod, watching Sony and Creative Labs flail about with older goods (and Creative Labs even having their original flagship mp3 player look like a Discman), but poor battery life, poor storage, and terrible pricing really didn't help their products (Creative Labs wanted $400 CAD for their Discman sized mp3 player that only held 650MB). iPod comes in with a nice and sleek interface, good battery life, the ability to easily look through things due to its quick ring based touch UI, a size people were more than willing to carry (small yet usable), and a good size (20GB).... For the same price Creative had been asking, and retailers couldn't keep them in stock for the first few months!
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Agreed. They may not have been first for a lot of things, but there's a huge benefit to watching the first company fail.. Say the iPad. Toshiba had tried to pull off tablet computers years before, but battery and screen technology wasn't there, not to mention there weren't any proper mobile chips at the time (Pentium 3 was the "king" at the time). Toshiba failed due to underpowered specs and poor battery life, while trying to replicate a full desktop at the same time.

Apple came into it years later with good battery life thanks to newer technology for screens and batteries, and a proper mobile processor. Oh, and a tailored experience that people were receptive to.


They did the same thing with their iPod, watching Sony and Creative Labs flail about with older goods (and Creative Labs even having their original flagship mp3 player look like a Discman), but poor battery life, poor storage, and terrible pricing really didn't help their products (Creative Labs wanted $400 CAD for their Discman sized mp3 player that only held 650MB). iPod comes in with a nice and sleek interface, good battery life, the ability to easily look through things due to its quick ring based touch UI, a size people were more than willing to carry (small yet usable), and a good size (20GB).... For the same price Creative had been asking, and retailers couldn't keep them in stock for the first few months!

In all fairness, by the time the ipod came around, creative was already offering similar form factor units with superior battery life, storage capacity, and audio quality, and with extra features like proper equalizer settings and replaceable batteries, all for about the same price. I'm pretty sure they werent the only ones with superior options either, if you were willing to buy something that didnt have a big name on it and a sexy high gloss rounded body.

Similar can be said for tablets before the ipad.

Apple won there, like it has just about everywhere else, on marketing and visual appeal. The very first offerings in any particular catagory may have been flops, but its not like apple came in second, they have been 10s of years and 100s of models behind on every product they've ever "invented". They simply market better.
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Looks like this thing may be a disappointment in regards to the camera, the dim display, and a no dual SIM ability.

https://www.gsmarena.com/razer_phone-review-1683p9.php
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Despite the IGZO TFT technology, the 5.7-inch Razer panel is neither brighter, nor more power efficient. In fact, it is one of the dimmest panels of late, maxing out at 223 nits. Sunlight legibility is also very poor. Color accuracy is good.

The Razer Phone does not handle its massive 4,000 mAh battery well, with 62 hours of endurance rating. Standby and talk time ratings are solid, thanks to the Snapdragon 835. However, both on-screen tests drain the battery very rapidly. Lowering the panel's refresh rate down to 60Hz does not really help much either. Quick Charge 4+ is awesome and Razer gives you a charger in the box.

We definitely miss the 3.5mm audio jack. At least there is a dongle in the box. The X16 LTE modem is about as quick as they come. Local connectivity is well covered. Bluetooth is a bit outdated at v4.1. There is only a single SIM model.

The Snapdragon 835 chip inside the Razer Phone scores very comparable to its similarly-equipped flagship rivals. Despite Razer's lofty claims, it is not better or worse.

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Audio output on the Razer Phone, with the provided Type-C adapter is pretty clear with an external amplifier. Plugging in headphones results in a bit more stereo crosstalk than we would like. Overall, a good performance, but short of most other 2017 flagships.
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The Razer Phone's dual camera setup is not very impressive. The second telephoto snapper uses a very dim f/2.6 lens. Plus, Razer's linear "seamless zoom" feature means you can never use the telephoto without interpolation.


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The camera UI is really bare-bones. There are no modes, no filters, no effects, not even panorama. There is also no Auto HDR, only a manual toggle. Camera settings are also scarce. At least there is a dedicated video mode and viewfinder.

Stills come out noisy, even in good light and a bit too soft, especially near the edges of the frame. Lots of fine detail is lost and the dynamic range is about average. The Razer Phone is very inconsistent with exposure and easily over or underexposes shots. It is also stubborn about accepting spot metering. Sunlight tends to confuse it a lot and brings out a tendency to opt for a very warm color pallet. HDR is best kept on at all times. Indoor shots come out better.

Low-light photos are on the noisy side and not exactly impressive.

The 8MP, fixed focus selfie cam is serviceable, but suffers from the same overall issues as the main snappers. Again, HDR should be kept on to help it get less confused around sunlight.

4K quality is good, but not great. Videos are sharp, but could use some more detail. Unreliable exposure metering is still an issue and so is the warmer color pallet. The lack of any stabilization is very apparent at 4K.

1080p video retains good quality, compared to its 4K counterpart. Razer did include some form of stabilization at FullHD, but it crops the viewfinder quite a bit and has a tendency to drift horizontally from time to time, especially while using a tripod.

The screen is a very dim screen at just 223 nits and you cannot read it in the sun. Considering the large battery and dim screen, the battery life isn't all that great.

The lack of a 3.5mm jack is a big drawback for me - I bought a LG V20 specifically for the excellent DAC and for the removable battery, which I have since replaced with an extended battery. This phone does not have either a 3.5mm jack nor the ability for the user to easily replace the battery.

Also, if you take any pictures or video, this phone is underwhelming.

A big problem I see is that it has the same Snapdragon 835 as the competition. It's nothing special. That said, it may very well be that companies like Razer may not be able to get their own SOCs (very tough to design one in house I'm afraid). Apple has historically led on single threaded mobile performance with its excellent A series of SOCs and often in GPUs too.

International travelers are at a drawback without a 2 SIM variant.







To be fair, there are some good points as per the review too:
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The 120Hz variable refresh rate panel offers an amazing buttery-smooth experience within the UI and during web browsing. Most apps and games, however, are not optimized to push high frame rates and can't really take full advantage of the technology. ULTRAMOTION also makes the panel very power-hungry.
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Few existing Android games can run at more than 60 fps. The OS and their respective engines are simply not designed to do so. Even some of Razer's advertised titles can't take full advantage of the 120Hz panel. Still, 120 fps-capable games do exist, so the future holds some promise.
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Razer opted for a near-stock Android Nougat ROM, with a minimal app package. This is beneficial to performance. There is still a powerful theme platform in place, with an online repository of free, high-quality, gaming-inspired themes. Razer's few custom apps are near AOSP in layout and functionality, but do support themes.
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The two front-facing speakers on the Razer are one of the loudest we have ever heard. Having two separate AMPs seems to help. The THX certification and DOLBY ATMOS technology and equalizers also enable incredibly crisp sound, with almost no distortion even at high volume.

Audio output on the Razer Phone, with the provided Type-C adapter is pretty clear with an external amplifier. Plugging in headphones results in a bit more stereo crosstalk than we would like. Overall, a good performance, but short of most other 2017 flagships.


To me though, these are overshadowed by the dim display (hard to read in sunlight), lack of a 3.5mm jack, poor camera, and considering the 4000 mah battery, not so good battery life.

Very few people will use their phone as just a speaker. The 120 Hz display, although good, is not very bright and cannot be read well in the sun. There is limited content that can take advantage of 120Hz and a bigger problem IMO is that the SOC is too weak to make the most of it.


One big advantage though I think Razer deserves a lot of Kudos for is shipping with stock Android. I also think that Razer deserves praise for 8GB of RAM.






Overall, I love the idea of a 120 Hz screen and stock Android. Razer also deserves praise for reasonable price of $700 USD. I would not buy this phone given the drawbacks, but Razer deserves solid praise for the effort.

















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Basically **** quality. After they refused to honor a warranty because of glue failure with their orbweaver POS edition mechanical keypad ($140.) a common problem, because although I had initiated the warranty claim within the warranty period an emergent life challenge postponed me actually acting on it until I was outside of the period and then they refused to honor said warranty. Were talking about a common problem being the result of Razer trying to save $.05 on glue (the glue under the palm rest will fail with only body heat in only a few months) on top of already manufacturing it with human robot slave labor in China, and at a cost of more than a full blown mechanical keyboard even with it's all plastic construction (the space bar was also failing). If you go to amazon.com and look at the reviews you will see how common the problem is. I told them that not only did they lose a customer for life but that I would also go out of my way to inform others of there non-existent quality and willingness to stand behind their products.

They make absolute trash. You have been warned.

I'm also concerned as like a few of the other commentators, I've had Razer products that don't stand the test of time. I would be very interested to see how durable this product is and see if Razer can address the issues in their next generation phones.

I personally won't buy their mice either and judging by this quote, I should avoid their keypads.

This does not bode well for any warranty issues that may arise with this Razer phone either. I'd be worried about a generation 1 product and a company with a history of dishonestly not honoring warranties ...








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The thing with Apple is they don't have original ideas and they do steal ideas but usually they implement everything so well. Its not really always about being first anyway. Its about creating a product that works well and people want to use, and the numbers show Apple does that very well.

Either way every tech company steals ideas off of each other and improves on them and that is how tech advances.

Now Apple users claiming Apple invented everything is annoying, but let them live in that little fantasy world if they want.....after all they paid 1K for a phone and they have to justify it to themselves somehow. biggrin.gif

The thing that smacks me as hypocritical about Apple is when they go crazy when other companies copy Apple's ideas.

A good example of that is how Steve Jobs felt Android copied some of his ideas. Of course left undiscussed is how the Apple has copied too. Examples include the smaller 7" tablet (an idea that Steve Jobs trashed), the idea of large >5" phones (witness the "Plus" series of iPhones now), and OLED displays (once criticized by Apple, yet now on the iPhone X).

They also struggle to admit when they mess up (witness how Steve Jobs reacted to the iPhone 4's antenna-gate signal problems).

Business practices wise, I'm unhappy at this extensive use of tax havens. There's a reason why education is falling, why roads have potholes. The middle class has not seen real wages increase since the 1970s, while the corporations don't pay their fair share. Apple also tends to drive supplier margins very low. There's a reason why we see phones assembled by Foxconn under pretty awful human rights conditions. APple of all companies has the margins to make their phones in a more humane manner and paying their workers a fair wage, but chooses not to.



Apple is more of a high margin systems integrator than anything else. They take other people's inventions, but the one thing they are really good at is packaging the software in a way that is user friendly. Perhaps their greatest strength is their ability to market. They then sell that at a huge mark-up and I suppose at times, they try to take credit for what are often other people's ideas.







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I personally think Razer products are cheap, gaudy, and low quality, but I applaud them for being able to always sell to consumers.

Razer has made many mediocre products and their reputation mainly comes from user experience. I've owned several of their peripherals in the past and none of them lasted longer than 1 year, specially with material durability, such as the rubber coating, not lasting very long. They do a great job at marketing though and sponsoring popular YouTubers or Twitch streamers always sucker the general population to buying their products.

No one is forcing anyone to buy this phone, so it baffles me that some people get offended with the price of new products.
I came from a Galaxy S5 that was rooted with a custom ROM, so I'm very familiar with the phone and would say the S8/S8+ is an upgrade in every aspect aside from durability. The "loss" of battery replacement wasn't a big deal since the original S5 battery would still allow 4-6 hours of straight heavy usage even after 3 years. With fast charging and wireless charging nowadays, battery life is honestly a non-issue, especially if you have a compact battery pack handy (some do fast charging). Even having USB-C without needing to fiddle with the S5's USB flap was a huge upgrade. wink.gif

The repair was expensive because to replace anything with the front screen or glass, they actually replace the front glass, OLED panel, metal bezel, motherboard and battery. This ensures the seals on the motherboard and battery are intact and you retain waterproof properties. If you've ever watched a disassembly or front glass replacement video for the S8, you will not want to try it for yourself.

I disagree on the replaceable battery, largely because I charge my phone frequently and have to expose my phone to a several charge/discharge cycles. Lithium ion batteries, especially when exposed to heat don't last long enough that I do find myself changing batteries and seeing a noticeable gain in battery life after the new batteries are swapped. I also use an extended battery, which is not possible without a removable battery.

However, I do agree with the comment about Razer's products only lasting a year or two. That's a big problem because a phone is a lot more expensive than say, a gaming mouse. Time will tell if these Razer phones hold up to the test of time. Considering these drawbacks though ... the question is if you think it is worth ponying up the $700 USD (plus whatever taxes you pay) to be the paid beta tester?
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The thing with Apple is they don't have original ideas and they do steal ideas but usually they implement everything so well. Its not really always about being first anyway. Its about creating a product that works well and people want to use, and the numbers show Apple does that very well.

Either way every tech company steals ideas off of each other and improves on them and that is how tech advances.

Now Apple users claiming Apple invented everything is annoying,
but let them live in that little fantasy world if they want.....after all they paid 1K for a phone and they have to justify it to themselves somehow. biggrin.gif

True.

Hope I'd never get annoyed if I ever meet and chat with an Apple fanboy such as that though.

Apple Pencil blows my mind with no noticeable parallax and initial force activation. Have tried all the Samsung ones with Wacoms, and all the Surfaces, it's just completely on a different level. Such a hassle that it doesn't at least have 1 button for at least an eraser though.

Hate your pic man. I love Legends. The whole MML3 fiasco bums the crap out of me frown.giffrown.gif
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In all fairness, by the time the ipod came around, creative was already offering similar form factor units with superior battery life, storage capacity, and audio quality, and with extra features like proper equalizer settings and replaceable batteries, all for about the same price. I'm pretty sure they werent the only ones with superior options either, if you were willing to buy something that didnt have a big name on it and a sexy high gloss rounded body.

Similar can be said for tablets before the ipad.

Apple won there, like it has just about everywhere else, on marketing and visual appeal. The very first offerings in any particular catagory may have been flops, but its not like apple came in second, they have been 10s of years and 100s of models behind on every product they've ever "invented". They simply market better.

This is simply false. Apple's success isn't because of "marketing". It's a combination of factors but one that's driven by one major fact. Apple's products always worked extremely well. Ultra thin laptops existed before the Macbook Air, but the Macbook Air standardized the design language and performance envelope. The Macbook Air compromised in all the right areas to achieve an unrivaled package of performance and portability. Same with almost everything that Apple created during the Jobs era of Apple.

The Job-less era of Apple has been marked by excellence in engineering and design, but lack of first-mover advantage. Steve was a leader, he created new markets. Apple today is a follower. They follow the hot markets rather than creating the trend themselves. I see the same characteristics in Musk. He created markets instead of following the latest trendy thing or w.e.
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Hate your pic man. I love Legends. The whole MML3 fiasco bums the crap out of me frown.giffrown.gif

Such a shame I know! I'm about done with Capcom's games after all that crap.
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