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I'm sure nvidia thinks we should all buy Teslas to mine on too...

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I think there is something else going on in the background.

A 1080 TI for example is very far in performance compared to a GP100. Add to that the quadro drivers, the option to get a P6000 and not only GP100, some of the support removed from the 1080 TI in the geforce drivers, it doesn't make sense to just slap a 1080 TI in a server.

One of the issues that might have happen, is that they put on them custom bios to allow full quadro drives in order to bypass the restrictions. That would be the real trigger point for nvidia.

I don't think Asus is flashing 1080 Ti's to P6000s and selling them, or even assisting their customers to flash them. Nvidia would be suing them for that, there must be legal agreements preventing it.

I think there are a lot of server farms that need to run virtualized FP32 for a majority of their customers so they don't care about any of those extras. Nvidia wants server OEMs to not build GPU farms with consumer GPUs or maybe it is simply that OEMs are marketing 1080 Ti's for server installations.

A 1080 Ti is basically the same as a P6000 (11.3 or 12 TFLOPs) when it comes to FP32 workloads that do not repeatedly access very large data sets. If the 1080 Ti is $800 the P6000 is $5000, that is 625% the cost for 106% the performance, at 10000+ units that starts to add up. wink.gif
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"Nvidia Reportedly Restricting Partners From Selling GeForce GPUs for Server and HPC Use"
and how would AIBs supposed to know whether the buyers would use it in servers/HPC instead of their workstations?

also, shouldn't they do this on miners first? those are literally "HPC" farms.
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"Nvidia Reportedly Restricting Partners From Selling GeForce GPUs for Server and HPC Use"
and how would AIBs supposed to know whether the buyers would use it in servers/HPC instead of their workstations?

also, shouldn't they do this on miners first? those are literally "HPC" farms.

But the difference is a miner will just come and say "sell me 10,000 GPUs" without a reason.
A server/HPC maker will say "Lets make a server together with 4 GPUs".
It is a lot easier to control server/HPC sales than mining sales.
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Nvidia wants server OEMs to not build GPU farms with consumer GPUs or maybe it is simply that OEMs are marketing 1080 Ti's for server installations.

That could also be the issue at hand, that asus/msi/etc are marketing servers with geforce cards instead.

I don't know. None here is close to the plate to know exactly what is the problem or what is going on. I was just giving an example earlier.
I just think there is a bit more into it than just a customer comes to asus and tells him "I need 4 1080 Tis for server".
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I think there is something else going on in the background.

A 1080 TI for example is very far in performance compared to a GP100. Add to that the quadro drivers, the option to get a P6000 and not only GP100, some of the support removed from the 1080 TI in the geforce drivers, it doesn't make sense to just slap a 1080 TI in a server.

One of the issues that might have happen, is that they put on them custom bios to allow full quadro drives in order to bypass the restrictions. That would be the real trigger point for nvidia.
Could be. Nvidia seem to usually have no issue with it.
But there is a big difference from a company buying 1-2 geforce cards for a couple of things, instead of lets say a P6000 or a titan xp, compared to a company buying a couple of servers with 4-8 geforce cards inside each of them.

Also the 150K$ they were hinting on in the article, is the tesla powered DGX-1, which is a very specific server, which comes with huge support and warranty as well as free volta upgrade. I doubt someone who needs single precision is going to get anywhere near them anyway. They are not in that market anyway. So it doesn't make sense for nvidia to flip on it unless something else happened.

While nvidia can very well be greedy, I hadn't seen them go full bananas in the past.

Yup, the whole driver thing sounds like a very reason... pretty much unlocked geforces that can match quadros. Also geforces are already quite popular in the pro segment and they do cannibalize quadro sales.
As why now? I think Nvidia is feeling some pressure from investors. Its stock has risen quite spectacularly in the last years and now it needs to deliver.
As for the nvidia "ecosystem"... I'm not so sure such thing nor a halo exist.
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Nvidia and his monopoly...
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where is this source and digitimes article?
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