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It sounds crazy, but it’s true: Arch-rivals AMD and Intel have teamed up to co-design an Intel Core microprocessor with a custom AMD Radeon graphics core inside the processor package, aimed at bringing top-tier gaming to thin-and-light notebook PCs.

Executives from both AMD and Intel told PCWorld that the combined AMD-Intel chip will be an “evolution” of Intel’s 8th-generation, H-series Core chips, with the ability to power-manage the entire module to preserve battery life. It’s scheduled to ship as early as the first quarter of 2018.

Though both companies helped engineer the new chip, this is Intel’s project—Intel first approached AMD, both companies confirmed. AMD, for its part, is treating the Radeon core as a single, semi-custom design, in the same vein as the chips it supplies to consoles like the Microsoft Xbox One X and Sony Playstation 4. Some specifics, though, remain undisclosed: Intel refers to it as a single product, though it seems possible that it could eventually be offered at a range of clock speeds.


The linchpin of the Intel-AMD agreement is a tiny piece of silicon that Intel began talking up over the past year: the Embedded Multi-die Interconnect Bridge, or EMIB. Numerous EMIBs can connect silicon dies, routing the electrical traces through the substrate itself. The result is what Intel calls a System-in-Package module. In this case, EMIBs allowed Intel to construct the three-die module, which will tie together Intel’s Core chip, the Radeon core, and next-generation high-bandwidth memory, or HBM2.

https://www.pcworld.com/article/3235934/components-processors/intel-and-amd-ship-a-core-chip-with-radeon-graphics.html
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Is the GPU produced by GF and shipped to Intel or is it all done by Intel? Could the latter's process use less power when downclocked or more than the original?

From my understanding it looks like they are ordering the semi-custom chips from AMD which woukd use GF/TSMC and are using the new EMIB interconnect to place the GPU die on the chip in a modular design.

I could be wrong but thats how it looks to me.

Also about power consumption... Vega is quite efficient at low clocks is it not? Shouldn't be an issue that its not manu'd in an Intel fab.
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So macbook air will start at 2000$ now?
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So macbook air will start at 2000$ now?
I doubt they're doing it to make their product less accessible.

Even Apple isn't that dumb.

They gotta do something to provide a reasonable alternative to Nvidia's MXM cards, which are full size discrete cards.
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So macbook air will start at 2000$ now?

Considering the goal is to offset Nvidia discrete GPUs, one would think this solution would come in at the same or lower price point...

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Originally Posted by Colin1204 View Post

From my understanding it looks like they are ordering the semi-custom chips from AMD which woukd use GF/TSMC and are using the new EMIB interconnect to place the GPU die on the chip in a modular design.

I could be wrong but thats how it looks to me.

Also about power consumption... Vega is quite efficient at low clocks is it not? Shouldn't be an issue that its not manu'd in an Intel fab.

In the interest of profit margins for both Intel and AMD, a solution using Intel fabs may be preferred.
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People claimed Vega is a fail, and now? Bitcoin, Xbox, Intel, Apple, who knows what else?
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People claimed Vega is a fail, and now? Bitcoin, Xbox, Intel, Apple, who knows what else?

Vega isn't terrible... Its just not fully enabled, not optimized for and came at a time where it simply couldnt compete. It's also using more expensive parts with low availability. And AMD seems to be forced to push the current design to its absolute limits to compete currently resulting in bad power consumption numbers when trying to compete with Nvidia...

Its got a lot of potential and will def have its kinks ironed out... Too bad they couldnt have gotten it out sooner or had it fully enabled (feature wise) and had the wine bottled and aged and ready to drink at launch.

That said I'd love to be able to have a V56 at a decent price... But I need a CPU upgrade b4 I get a new GPU
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This should provide some much needed cash to AMD. Hopefully it doesn't negate the value of Ryzen laptop skus, as Ryzen is ready for mobile.
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This should provide some much needed cash to AMD. Hopefully it doesn't negate the value of Ryzen laptop skus, as Ryzen is ready for mobile.

Different segment. This custom gpu solution is aiming to replace Nvidia discrete solutions and is a high end product whereas Raven Ridge is an APU with entery level gaming performance.
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Give me an 8th gen 6-core mobile workstation paired with an AMD GPU and I'll be a happy camper biggrin.gif
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