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Intel will develop Iris graphics on the discrete, that's it, no one will buy intel graphics untill its integrated. I mean would You? Maybe they will use intel process tech for die shrinking AMD gpus, and it will be like Matrox. Forget about intel graphics card.

If Intel developed a new architecture that provided top end performance I would buy them in a heartbeat (they need to work on their drivers too). I am not sure why you are so dismissive of Intel in this space, it seems like they will need to invest big in GPUs if they want to remain central to compute in the next decade or two.

Nvidia is shipping a LOT of GPUs for data centers and the number is only expected to go up.
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If Intel developed a new architecture that provided top end performance I would buy them in a heartbeat (they need to work on their drivers too). I am not sure why you are so dismissive of Intel in this space, it seems like they will need to invest big in GPUs if they want to remain central to compute in the next decade or two.

Nvidia is shipping a LOT of GPUs for data centers and the number is only expected to go up.

Its not a GPU company. Specialy not 3D gaming company.

edit: Hype is here, for people to buy anything else than Nvidia related.
Edited by Pro3ootector - 11/11/17 at 5:40am
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If Intel developed a new architecture that provided top end performance I would buy them in a heartbeat (they need to work on their drivers too). I am not sure why you are so dismissive of Intel in this space, it seems like they will need to invest big in GPUs if they want to remain central to compute in the next decade or two.

Nvidia is shipping a LOT of GPUs for data centers and the number is only expected to go up.

Larrabee

I mean I'm not writing them off, but I'm not holding my breath either, especially since Intel isn't exactly known for having stellar drivers either.
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People hoping for a gaming GPU from Intel? LOL dream on, they are after compute all the way. Even all the NV and AMD cards nowadays are compute first designed chips/cards. None of the 3 companies gives a damn about consumers and gaming. NV only pretends to.
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People hoping for a gaming GPU from Intel? LOL dream on, they are after compute all the way. Even all the NV and AMD cards nowadays are compute first designed chips/cards. None of the 3 companies gives a damn about consumers and gaming. NV only pretends to.
Actually NV gets more revenue from gamer sales than Datacenter. The margin on datacenter is better but gamers volume more than makes up in the bottom line.
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I always wonder how much does the gamer GPU actually matter to NV or AMD. How much profit do they really make in the segament? or is datacenter and heavy compute task all that matter and gaming GPU more of a side thingy.

I would gladly welcome a 3rd at this point, and be nice if intel brought out a game lineup of GPU's. Nvidia is borderline close to running a monopoly here and with the titan Xp and 1070ti launches it shows a bit more then other years.
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I always wonder how much does the gamer GPU actually matter to NV or AMD. How much profit do they really make in the segament? or is datacenter and heavy compute task all that matter and gaming GPU more of a side thingy.

I would gladly welcome a 3rd at this point, and be nice if intel brought out a game lineup of GPU's. Nvidia is borderline close to running a monopoly here and with the titan Xp and 1070ti launches it shows a bit more then other years.
Nvidia actually makes majority of it's money from gamers. AMD stopped relying on them five years ago. Even during Fermi fiasco gamers still bought Nvidia. Radeons now are more like a technology testbed.
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I always wonder how much does the gamer GPU actually matter to NV or AMD. How much profit do they really make in the segament? or is datacenter and heavy compute task all that matter and gaming GPU more of a side thingy.

I would gladly welcome a 3rd at this point, and be nice if intel brought out a game lineup of GPU's. Nvidia is borderline close to running a monopoly here and with the titan Xp and 1070ti launches it shows a bit more then other years.

Revenue wise, gaming GPU has been a consistent 55-60% of their revenue in the last 2 years, and has grown by about 100% in terns of overall revenue.
Datacenters has grown from 7% to 19% on the same time and has grown by 400%.

So most likely for nvidia, both are extremely important.
On the gaming market they want to keep their dominance as it is a great source of income.
On the datacenter market, it is still a very growing market (which also explain intels' interests), and they want to develop it and sell their solutions to create a second revenue.

On the other hand, their shrinking markets are automotive and OEMs, which explains why they seem to be ok with stopping their work with tesla and they don't focus on trying to get into OEM beside their deal with nintendo.

AMD in terms of GPU/CPU, they are about 50/50 in revenue for them.
Beside that, AMD don't offer as much breakdown in revenue as nvidia. Though I'm sure both markets are important to them. The desktop GPU is important as it generates the income allowing them to push into other markets, like the datacenter. They want to keep it strong enough to be profitable. This is why for them, the mid and low end is more important as the high end.
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Is he going to design these gpus with EMIB in mind? Multiple smaller parts arranged horizontally and others can be 3D stacked. And there's supposedly STT MRAM for Cannonlake to enable larger caches.
http://appft1.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO1&Sect2=HITOFF&d=PG01&p=1&u=/netahtml/PTO/srchnum.html&r=1&f=G&l=50&s1=20160092396.PGNR.

[0094] 1) Cost reduction: Two smaller 3D-stacked die have better yield than one large, monolithic die. A cost savings of up to $350M per server processor program has been estimated depending on the actual configuration used.

[0095] 2) Reduced time-to-market: The uncore (bottom) die can be designed ahead of time and the sea-of-cores built when the client core is ready. This will enable server processors to ship about 3-6 months after the client processor introductions (today this time lag is over one year). In particular, all the I/O circuits (DDR, PCIe, QPI) can be debugged on the platform ahead of the core availability.
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