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The weakness is obvious and should be expected, AMD has been bleeding money (negative net income) for over 10 years now since the acquisition of ATI. It amazes me that AMD can even come close to Nvidia given how they are losing so much money each year. In the meanwhile, Nvidia is making more money than ever this year.

https://ycharts.com/companies/AMD/net_income_ttm
https://ycharts.com/companies/NVDA/net_income_ttm

Vega has a very similar architecture to Fiji and it seems like Raja was probably involved in just improvements for Vega, not necessarily in charge of changing the whole chip. We can't say true/false statements regarding Raja because none of us actually worked with him. Hundreds, if not thousands of employees worked on Vega, so the fact that we're only looking at one person is scapegoating the whole issue.

We was the Captain and the Captain bares all the blame and responsibility. Same thing goes when someone launches a good product. Nobody talks about the actual people that worked on them.
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post #22 of 33
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We was the Captain and the Captain bares all the blame and responsibility. Same thing goes when someone launches a good product. Nobody talks about the actual people that worked on them.

Not going to argue with that, but we have made assumptions that Vega was made by an entirely new team in the Chinese RTG division, which can explain why Vega didn't make the huge performance leap as expected and that some features still seem to be disabled or not accounted for by Software. It's not like Vega is bad, but it seems like it was made for a lower power envelope, which may be pointing at the current Intel mobile relationship.
    
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Intel wouldn't risk an SEC investigation if they didn't have a plan. A big plan.

An Earth Shattering plan.
It's hard to imagine that the billion dollar company doesn't have a plan. It's also unlikely that said plan doesn't have a pretty good chance of panning out.
    
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We was the Captain and the Captain bares all the blame and responsibility. Same thing goes when someone launches a good product. Nobody talks about the actual people that worked on them.

Okay, just don't be surprised when the next one made by the same "crew" is just as lackluster. I expect people to be saying "this new guy is even worse than Raja!". That said, if they can get it working primitive shaders are actually a pretty big change and while not revolutionary it's a pretty interesting feature to have a programmable front-end. At the very least Nvidia hasn't advertised/touted a feature like this, so it's an adventurous step forward for AMD.
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Okay, just don't be surprised when the next one made by the same "crew" is just as lackluster. I expect people to be saying "this new guy is even worse than Raja!". That said, if they can get it working primitive shaders are actually a pretty big change and while not revolutionary it's a pretty interesting feature to have a programmable front-end. At the very least Nvidia hasn't advertised/touted a feature like this, so it's an adventurous step forward for AMD.

The point is Raja was not a big deal for AMD. They are not losing someone important. He was no Jim Keller.
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The point is Raja was not a big deal for AMD. They are not losing someone important. He was no Jim Keller.

we dont actually know how important he was

we dont know if he actually squeezed alot more performance for the limited resources
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we dont actually know how important he was

we dont know if he actually squeezed alot more performance for the limited resources

AMD or the fans made him a celebrity and figurehead for AMD.
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The point is Raja was not a big deal for AMD. They are not losing someone important. He was no Jim Keller.

Jim Keller isn't "Jim Keller" either. Zen and K12 had their own design teams, Jim Keller IIRC oversaw the development and integration of Infinity Fabric, which is supposedly based on Freedom Fabric, an IP that AMD bought. Besides that he acted as chief of the CPU engineer department like Raja oversaw the GPU department. Point is, managers might make a big difference but at the end of the day it's down to the actual engineers doing the dirty work so expecting a big change is unrealistic. And a new boss coming in is bound to be a tumultuous for quite a while so things might even get worse.

On the other hand Raja may very well be in a good position to hire the best people for the job, which can big a huge deal. Was Raja a big deal at AMD? Probably not because he was working with a team that has typical results generation after generation, could he be a huge deal for Intel? Yes, he could very well be a huge deal if he can assemble a dream team.
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It's hard to imagine that the billion dollar company doesn't have a plan. It's also unlikely that said plan doesn't have a pretty good chance of panning out.

and yet, here they are, releasing all these new CPUs within ~15 months...
 
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Jim Keller isn't "Jim Keller" either. Zen and K12 had their own design teams, Jim Keller IIRC oversaw the development and integration of Infinity Fabric, which is supposedly based on Freedom Fabric, an IP that AMD bought. Besides that he acted as chief of the CPU engineer department like Raja oversaw the GPU department. Point is, managers might make a big difference but at the end of the day it's down to the actual engineers doing the dirty work so expecting a big change is unrealistic. And a new boss coming in is bound to be a tumultuous for quite a while so things might even get worse.

On the other hand Raja may very well be in a good position to hire the best people for the job, which can big a huge deal. Was Raja a big deal at AMD? Probably not because he was working with a team that has typical results generation after generation, could he be a huge deal for Intel? Yes, he could very well be a huge deal if he can assemble a dream team.

Except Jim Keller is Jim Keller and he has a long history of proving it. Is he a near mythical one-man electrical engineering team? No, but it is fun to regard him so highly because of his total career.

I don’t think anyone is forgetting the teams behind Jim Keller. His name just happens to be strongly involved with a lot of major events in the industry. It is basically an Honorific because of that.

As for the other members of the team. Just to be working at the level his teams are on is incredible. Most would agree that even the ‘dunce’ of that group is nothing short of brilliant.
    
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