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Corporate run gambling is regulated for a reason. It's not hand wringing and dramatic think of the children rhetoric.

This is gambling in the same way baseball cards and Happy Meal toys at McDonald's are gambling. You're guaranteed a win and the win is not monetary in nature.
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This is gambling in the same way baseball cards and Happy Meal toys at McDonald's are gambling. You're guaranteed a win and the win is not monetary in nature.

Tangible items generally have greater resale value and are nearly impossible to rig the rng by profiling the consumer. Digital items are moving in the direction to being able to profile consumers to rig lootboxes against them.
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CynicalUnicorn doing anything other than talking in exaggerated sarcasm and opposites? Don't make me laugh
He probably gets off on thinking he's a super clever witty cynic, even put it in his name. Maybe he'll be the next TotalBiscuit, he's even got a podcast!
Get out of the way CynicalBrit we got CynicalUnicorn over here


I wouldn't put my money on that.. I stopped listening to the OCN podcast because of him... I download them and listened to them while driving, the problem was that Unicorn, for all of his genius ALWAYS had a mic that was so quiet I COULD NOT hear him no matter how loud I turned it up.... I think the first episode without FrickFrock was the last one I listened to, because without Frick it was just unbearable. I see Unicorn's posts, but rarely ever read them.
 
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This is gambling in the same way baseball cards and Happy Meal toys at McDonald's are gambling. You're guaranteed a win and the win is not monetary in nature.

Tangible items generally have greater resale value and are nearly impossible to rig the rng by profiling the consumer. Digital items are moving in the direction to being able to profile consumers to rig lootboxes against them.
Resale value shouldn't be a consideration in the definition of what gambling is. Resale value is completely irrelevant. Also, you can rig the outcome in Happy Meal toys by simply controlling how many of each reach stores. Though you do have a point with rng profiling (hadn't thought of that, but I can totally see it happen). AND even though you could do the same with the McDonald's example by targeting demographics geographically, that's a little too much in tin-foil hat territory for me (and the usefulness of such a practice questionable).
    
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This is gambling in the same way baseball cards and Happy Meal toys at McDonald's are gambling. You're guaranteed a win and the win is not monetary in nature.

Agreed and you can add blind bag toys, cereal box toys, any time a soda has a code under the lid, and many more.

The only "regulations" I'd be ok with enacting is required publishing of odds and an additional ESRB tag. That said they'd probably screw it up somehow and tack on a bunch other junk that causes more issues than it solves.
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Because infrastructure and in-game content are identical issues.

Your comparisons are just always really bad in this thread...
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This is gambling in the same way baseball cards and Happy Meal toys at McDonald's are gambling. You're guaranteed a win and the win is not monetary in nature.

Tangible items generally have greater resale value and are nearly impossible to rig the rng by profiling the consumer. Digital items are moving in the direction to being able to profile consumers to rig lootboxes against them.
Resale value shouldn't be a consideration in the definition of what gambling is. Resale value is completely irrelevant. Also, you can rig the outcome in Happy Meal toys by simply controlling how many of each reach stores. Though you do have a point with rng profiling (hadn't thought of that, but I can totally see it happen). AND even though you could do the same with the McDonald's example by targeting demographics geographically, that's a little too much in tin-foil hat territory for me (and the usefulness of such a practice questionable).

It is happening as we speak with mobile games. And when Jim Sterling asked the company that implements the scheme about plans for triple-A games, they didn't answer.

I recommend everybody watch the video below that talks about said company. Part of it comes straight from the horse's mouth, including the screenshot below, that shows how they are profiling users and charging accordingly, taking many factors into account, including what type of phone you're using, how addicted to the game you are, and yes, location. According to your own words, we are already in tin foil hat territory. It's happening, it's real.




If you want to jump straight to where he starts talking about the company, go to 2:57:

(NSFW language): Turning Players Into Payers (The Jimquisition)
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This is gambling in the same way baseball cards and Happy Meal toys at McDonald's are gambling. You're guaranteed a win and the win is not monetary in nature.
So do those happy meal toys change how good your food tastes then?
Because that is what is going on in video games now, these boxes starting to affect actual gameplay elements. The second you play any of these games, you are affected because you either are at a disadvantage to begin with or you comply and try to get the same out of those bloody boxes.
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Your comparisons are just always really bad in this thread...

m8 I'm not comparing something important like Net Neutrality to something as petty as video games.

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So do those happy meal toys change how good your food tastes then?
Because that is what is going on in video games now, these boxes starting to affect actual gameplay elements. The second you play any of these games, you are affected because you either are at a disadvantage to begin with or you comply and try to get the same out of those bloody boxes.

But you've also got the option to grind. By that logic we shouldn't have unlockables at all in multiplayer games since players with more time have an unfair [sic] advantage.
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m8 I'm not comparing something important like Net Neutrality to something as petty as video games.

Sorry Unicorn, I was actually responding to Hunched. Quoted the wrong person.
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