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I know I'm an idiot but wow. This isn't a thing in the U.S.?

It exists and we have laws for it, but there are so many legal loopholes and financial havens it doesn’t matter.

Private money in politics will never work. Money out of politics or we are screwed.
    
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^This. You can have "100% transparency" but that doesn't clarify or prohibit an ex-executive's intent or motivations when producing law, especially when they are revolving between public and private.
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^This. You can have "100% transparency" but that doesn't clarify or prohibit an ex-executive's intent or motivations when producing law, especially when they are revolving between public and private.

That's covered by conflict of interest, which the American political system has been blatantly ignoring for decades at this point.

All in all, those ex-executives won't be making any laws or regulations if they're not allowed on commissions like the FCC (conflict of interest) and finally the politicians don't allow themselves to be swayed by big corporations promising donations, etc.

Cutting $ out of politics would work but it's just a bandaid on a wound that needs stitches, the issue is a social one, we've created a society that puts value on material wealth over integrity. Plus wrestling away the ability for corporations to lobby will be next to impossible. They'd take you to court at ever chance possible all the way to the supreme court. It would probably take multiple presidencies to even apply the bandaid because the "patient" will do nothing but kick and scream.
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Or you know, stop putting people with huge conflict of interests in the FCC.

I'd like you to find me someone qualified to make national decisions about our telecom network who didn't ever work for a telecom company.
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I'd like you to find me someone qualified to make national decisions about our telecom network who didn't ever work for a telecom company.

Precisely. You don't even have to look very had for a counterexample even the staunchest cynic would have to acknowledge in Tom Wheeler.
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Funny thing is, people think net neutrality even matters. ISPs have already been caught throttling Netflix etc with no slap on their wrist for it.

This was more because Netflix was taking up a lot of bandwidth since so many people use it and it eats a lot of data and the ISPs weren't happy about carrying that load and not getting paid extra. Still doesn't make it right, but that was why they were throttling netflix users. They can resolve bandwidth constraints by upgrading their infrastructure but that costs money of course and ISPs are notoriously cheap which is why we're really behind in the US in regards to getting gigabit speeds to the entire country.

If NN gets axed then ISPs will have the right to start block content or throttle people at least based on the content they view. Trying to access something from a competitor? Throttled. Browsing for content that doesn't align with their political agenda? Throttled. etc.
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Funny thing is, people think net neutrality even matters. ISPs have already been caught throttling Netflix etc with no slap on their wrist for it.

They can resolve bandwidth constraints by upgrading their infrastructure but that costs money of course and ISPs are notoriously cheap
I think it was Verizon was offered by another company to cover all costs and parts to upgrade the the servers connecting to an area of a city (or something along that line). They declined.

For free and no labor on their part, they turned it down.
This isn't just greed. I'll see if I can find the news article.

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Above, I confirmed exactly the same thing for the Level 3 network. So in fact, we could fix this congestion in about five minutes simply by connecting up more 10Gbps ports on those routers. Simple. Something we’ve been asking Verizon to do for many, many months, and something other providers regularly do in similar circumstances. But Verizon has refused. So Verizon, not Level 3 or Netflix, causes the congestion. Why is that? Maybe they can’t afford a new port card because they’ve run out – even though these cards are very cheap, just a few thousand dollars for each 10 Gbps card which could support 5,000 streams or more. If that’s the case, we’ll buy one for them. Maybe they can’t afford the small piece of cable between our two ports. If that’s the case, we’ll provide it. Heck, we’ll even install it.

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I think it was Verizon was offered by another company to cover all costs and parts to upgrade the the servers connecting to an area of a city (or something along that line). They declined.

For free and no labor on their part, they turned it down.
This isn't just greed. I'll see if I can find the news article.

EDIT: Link


I hate ISP's as much as the next guy, but there is more to it than this. You can only install so many line cards into a chassis before the chassis is full, and the backplane can only support so much throughput. If we're talking Cisco then those line cards aren't cheap. The article quotes 10Gig, but i don't see why any ISP would use that anymore. They'd probably roll 40Gig, and my company received a quote from Cisco for something ridiculous, i think it was like almost 950K to outfit a Chassis with a 40 Gig line card(Including the chassis and a single card. The chassis can only hold 8 cards i believe.). Now i don't have the exact numbers, but the article calling it a few grand is off base. Now my perspective is from a network support team, not the architecture team that outfits these chassis', but its a lot more than "a few grand".

I do believe ISP's have an obligation to provide us the bandwidth they sell us, and should improve their networks. However it will be more expensive than people quote it. A lot of fiber runs are 192 count, and more doesn't need run to expand capacity. They are correct that it is mostly a hardware placement issue, but the hardware is not as cheap as they say.
 
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That's funny how the original NN threads were loaded with people and opinions supporting it, yet when it comes to bringing it all down nobody cares because after Title 2 and the regs, nothing has changed for the benefit for the end user. Your internet isn't faster, it's not cheaper and you do not have more privacy and companies are still capping and throttling.
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I do believe ISP's have an obligation to provide us the bandwidth they sell us, and should improve their networks. However it will be more expensive than people quote it. A lot of fiber runs are 192 count, and more doesn't need run to expand capacity. They are correct that it is mostly a hardware placement issue, but the hardware is not as cheap as they say.

While it's not cheap major isp's have been given subsidies to do just that...update hardware and lines. For the most part they took said subsidies and have done very little with them aside from profiting.
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