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This builds specs will be:
Processor: ryzen 1700 non X for the 65w
Motherboard: x370
Ram: 32gb@2666.. no overclocking.
GPU: RX 480@1330mhz...until I go vega
Cooling: Custom Loop


With the release of the i7-8700k its really peaked my interest.... I went the amd route back in 2007 and was totally bummed. swapped to an i7-950 had heat issues... swapped to the xeon 5660 and currently rocking it now (x58 platform) upgrade itch is real... need/want.

Ive heard the 8700k at least for now is having heat issues and my pc room kinda stays warm so I dont wanna deal with that again though the custom loop should solve that issue.

I don't really care to overclock with B-clk that some motherboards offer.. rather just bump the multiplier, BUT will consider the bclk method if it works on the i7-8700 non K chip

Main purposes are listed in priority first

  1. Gaming while stream (one pc setup)(open world games)(some xplane sim)
  2. Blender 3D modeling (learning)
  3. Video editing (mostly 1080p files 4k in the future)
  4. Photo tinkering


Any advice is appreciated!
Edited by clock'd out - 11/16/17 at 6:49pm
 
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I personally would... AMD has made it clear that the AM4 socket will be used for some time. So investing into a 1700 will still open you to the ZEN+ 2018 (die shrink) and ZEN 2 2019. Also will probably be good if ZEN 2 also gets some sort of optimization like ZEN 2+ or something.
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Your wants/needs for the machine really want as many fast cores as possible.


I vote Ryzen, and look for Samsung B-die ram, info found via the ryzen ram overclocking thread.


Seems compute performance increases with ram speed to the point that it may be worth the extra cost of faster ram.

Simple things like a touch more than default ram voltage and bumping SoC voltage up helps MASSIVELY with high speed ram support.



Considering Ryzen is doing so well even with its infancy, I am looking forward to seeing how the ryzen refresh/next generation will be.
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I personally would... AMD has made it clear that the AM4 socket will be used for some time. So investing into a 1700 will still open you to the ZEN+ 2018 (die shrink) and ZEN 2 2019. Also will probably be good if ZEN 2 also gets some sort of optimization like ZEN 2+ or something.

Fair enough.. Id assume the extra two cores with a mild overclock should stay strong for quite some time. Thats another thing that throws me off is intel causing all this fuss with having to upgrade motherboards for new processors.

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Your wants/needs for the machine really want as many fast cores as possible.


I vote Ryzen, and look for Samsung B-die ram, info found via the ryzen ram overclocking thread.


Seems compute performance increases with ram speed to the point that it may be worth the extra cost of faster ram.

Simple things like a touch more than default ram voltage and bumping SoC voltage up helps MASSIVELY with high speed ram support.



Considering Ryzen is doing so well even with its infancy, I am looking forward to seeing how the ryzen refresh/next generation will be.

Does ram overclocking really show much difference in real world situations though?
 
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Seems Ryzen + high speed ram = better overall performance feeling and snappieness.


I dont think its like the DDR3 days where you only got marginal benefits.

From what I have been seeing across the internet and in MANY game benchmarks, even 2666 ram is showing good margins over the standard 2133

3000 speed seems to be the sweetspot.

I am no cpu architect person, but it seems something inside the ryzen cpu runs at the same speed as system memory, and higher speeds are causing the cores to talk to each other at a much faster rate.


Seems to have a similar system impact to the old phenom II and northbridge days, where a fast northbridge made everything snappier and faster, from boot times, to internet browsing, to games.
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Yes ram speed with ryzen helps allot. The processors are made modular in design. AMD uses a bus to interconnect the various moduels inside the cpu. Be it the memory controller, more cores, pcie controller, ect... They call it infinity fabric. Infinity fabric's speed is set to the same speed as the memory clock. Will note however it is hard to get the memory to clock becuase of this. Depending on your chip (silicon lottery) and motherboard/bios revision will effect the ability to clock the memory. Also ryzen's memory controller doesnt like to much voltage id look up what is considered safe befroe pushing the memory controller voltage.
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Faster RAM makes a big difference in the new processors. Absolutely worth it. I'd say Ryzen would be a good choice with the upgrade options, should stay plenty cool.

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Personally, I came from X58 w/ X5650 @ 4.0Ghz to Ryzen 1600 @ 4.0Ghz with 16gb DDR4 3200 CL14 B-Die. I also built my brother's computer using a 8700K @ stock w/ 1080 Ti.

The Ryzen setup was a nice improvement over the X58 setup, I gained about 15-20 fps on average and 10-15 fps minimums playing PUBG on a 1080 Ti (1440P, competitive settings). When I tested my brother's setup a few days ago, it was a huge step-up in performance for that game compared to the Ryzen giving me 20-30 fps higher on average.

I felt like the extra $250-300 for a 8700K setup is worth it for me so I am switching over to that. I also thought about the possibility of Zen+ or Zen 2 but that's playing the waiting game and there's no guarantee those will surpass or even match the 8700K for gaming performance right now.
Edited by legcramp - 11/19/17 at 8:29pm
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I just got an 8700k yesterday and it is an impressive CPU. It is screaming fast. So far I have tried Battlefield 1, AC Origins, and Watch Dogs 2 and the CPU usage in those looks a lot better than it did with my 4790K.
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Well, I've had my R5 1600 for about a month now and i'm impressed too.

Op, I would get the 1700 which should be around $200 by now, sell your 480, and the money saved for a Vega 64. wink.gif
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