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The US doesn't have/need the laws that the EU have about truck length. So trucks here are made to cater to the market here. It's not better or worse it's just different. The Tesla truck is obviously not targeted at cross-country shipping. The bigger questions will be: will Tesla actually be able to mass produce them? The model 3 promises are not being delivered, soooo ehh.
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For the third straight earnings loss in a row, Tesla reported on Sept 30th (third quarter fiscal year) a net loss of about $619.4 million, or $3.70 per share, compared to a net income of nearly $21.9 million, or 14 cents a share, a year ago. On an adjusted basis, Tesla lost $2.92 a share, which was wider than expected, according to a consensus estimate from Thomson Reuters (source)

Lots of hype, no returns...
post #123 of 210
Arent they still building like three gigafactories? Of course they will be at a net loss until they are finished. But yes i do agree that their shares are inflated atm and is being adjusted, but its anything but a worthless pump n dump.
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Originally Posted by Lady Fitzgerald View Post

I missed that the frst time I read it. That figure was from "...an analysis published in ACS Energy Letters recently suggested that such a vehicle capable of covering 600 miles would need a battery pack that costs as much as $400,000...". It doesn't say how they arrived at that figure. Also, Musk is claiming only 500 miles, not 600.

Musk was claiming 500 miles in worst case. It supposed gets more in a regular use case.
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If you buy regular Roadster, deposit is only 50 000 $ and I assume it will be refundable.

And what exactly starts to look like Ponzi scheme ?

Tesla is using deposit money to finance their company. This makes getting a refund significantly more difficult.

How it resembles a ponzi scheme is Tesla is getting a huge amount of the investments of the company through these deposits, government incentives and issuing new stock, but the company itself is making very little to no money. This in turn is causing the company to lose hundreds of millions to billions of dollars. It is not sustainable unless they get more and more investment which is similar to a ponzi scheme.

If you want that deposit back, you won't get it back immediately because that money has long been spent. It will be through more investment through other investors or deposits. This is why it would be safer if deposits were put in an escrow account.

Not exactly a ponzi scheme, but Tesla operations cashflow is too reliant on outside investment rather than generating real revenue from within the company selling things.
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For the third straight earnings loss in a row, Tesla reported on Sept 30th (third quarter fiscal year) a net loss of about $619.4 million, or $3.70 per share, compared to a net income of nearly $21.9 million, or 14 cents a share, a year ago. On an adjusted basis, Tesla lost $2.92 a share, which was wider than expected, according to a consensus estimate from Thomson Reuters (source)

Lots of hype, no returns...

Which is irrelevant. Tesla is never short of investors, they've continued to sell equity for cash and have never been short on buyers.
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If you buy regular Roadster, deposit is only 50 000 $ and I assume it will be refundable.

And what exactly starts to look like Ponzi scheme ?


Tesla is using consumer deposits to fund operating activities. Deposits are liabilities. Considering the massive cash hemorrhaging, there is going to be a problem in the future if/when money runs out...
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Tesla is using consumer deposits to fund operating activities. Deposits are liabilities. Considering the massive cash hemorrhaging, there is going to be a problem in the future if/when money runs out...

Much of this financial pain is self inflicted; Tesla did not give a purchase order to a major automated tooling supplier to develop two “Body in White” (BIW) transfer lines for the Model 3 early this year (source) Although car companies normally place fully-designed orders for BIW lines with at least a two-year lead time, and BIW manufacturers almost always assemble and test the line at their factories, Tesla asked for a 4-month delivery and wanted to expedite delivery by doing a risky “cold build” line layout and quality testing at Tesla’s factory.

Panasonic’s Chief Executive Kazuhiro Tsuga also told Reuters that Gigafactory batteries are still being mostly made by hand (source). “This process (for battery packs) will be soon automated, and then the number of vehicles to be produced will rise sharply.” Tsuga declined to comment on how far Tesla Model 3 production is behind its targeted delivery schedule.

Behind schedule and nothing to show for it. Pathetic to witness.
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And their competitors are still eons behind Tesla anyway. So what's really pathetic? The car companies that can't catch up to Tesla that has zero experience in mass producing vehicles, or Tesla, who are the only ones to make an EV that people actually want to buy?
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And their competitors are still eons behind Tesla anyway. So what's really pathetic? The car companies that can't catch up to Tesla that has zero experience in mass producing vehicles, or Tesla, who are the only ones to make an EV that people actually want to buy?

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Explain what's so funny, cuz I don't see it.
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