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RX 580 Ti.

That's what AMD should make. biggrin.gif We need $300 dollar gpu's. But then again the GTX 1070 and Vega 56 can be?
NVIDIA wouldn't allow them to use the Ti, so the X would have to be used instead. I wish the Vega 56 would be a $300 GPU lol, but AMD going with HBM2 forced it to be higher cost. They already lose $100 on every Vega GPU they sell, so I doubt they can afford to lose even more. Maybe Intel will help AMD with HBM2 fab work, but I doubt it. And NVIDIA doesn't sell at lower cost unless someone forces them to.

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Yeah, 1440p is still fairly high-end gaming after all these years. I still remember paying just under 200 € for a GTX 460 1 GB in late 2010 and now the same segment modern card, equipped with an AIB cooler (even more so as back then Nvidia also had a cheaper GTX 460 768 MB, as they have the GTX 1060 3 GB now), cost me just under 340 €. Back in late 2010 a GTX 570 cost 350 €, so there's that.
I've personally paid $600 for cards in the past, several times in fact, but that was before I retired. Now I have to be very much careful with money which is why I have forced my old X58 motherboard into much longer service then I would normally go. I promised myself I would retire my Enthusiast purchasing habits and pay half the cost for products or wait twice as long before upgrading. I am not replacing my 1440p until it either dies, or 2020 is almost over and maybe not even then. However, I really like those slightly curved 1440p Ultrawides, so someday I want to upgrade to that for gaming but the tech isn't exactly where I want it yet.

My guess is I need to wait for 680 which seems like the harder but smarter option, unless we are surprised with $350 Vega 56 soon.
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I've personally paid $600 for cards in the past, several times in fact, but that was before I retired. Now I have to be very much careful with money which is why I have forced my old X58 motherboard into much longer service then I would normally go. I promised myself I would retire my Enthusiast purchasing habits and pay half the cost for products or wait twice as long before upgrading. I am not replacing my 1440p until it either dies, or 2020 is almost over and maybe not even then. However, I really like those slightly curved 1440p Ultrawides, so someday I want to upgrade to that for gaming but the tech isn't exactly where I want it yet.

My guess is I need to wait for 680 which seems like the harder but smarter option, unless we are surprised with $350 Vega 56 soon.

Yeah, the curved Ultrawides 1440p look interesting, but I'm also staying at 1080p for the moment. The current FreeSync variance in monitors should be tamed a bit in the following years as the FreeSync 2 badge earning has to follow stricter AMD guidelines and perhaps by then Nvidia will also support it (with Raja working at Intel, and with them probably on the train sometime in the future, it's possible that the pressure will finally convince Nvidia to contribute to standardizing VRR tech).

I guess the silver lining in both our cases is that enthusiast level systems can be made to last a while longer. Your X58 and my X79 rigs (I've got a Xeon to upgrade to also) are proof of that.

As to $350 Vega 56, it could happen by March next year if Nvidia releases Volta then. But at that point you'll have to be quick because I suspect that AMD might simply discount the cards and stop making them altogether because of costs.
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AFAIK, Polaris can't do what RTG wants to do with Navi, with it's matured interconnect. RTG didn't have the engineering budget to tune Vega off of 4 compute engines, let alone devote any budget to additional Polaris designs. Unless you're Intel, of course.

Vega 10 isn't for us, it just includes us.

To answer your question, yes, possible. But it would be financial suicide.

What AMD should do is release a tuned Vega 11, and just let the miners have it. Literally printing money.
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I guess the silver lining in both our cases is that enthusiast level systems can be made to last a while longer. Your X58 and my X79 rigs (I've got a Xeon to upgrade to also) are proof of that.
Yeah my Xeon was a HUGE boost and easily the reason why I did not jump to Skylake. I ALMOST pulled that trigger, but a friend on Skylake and I kept sharing benchmark scores and he couldn't do much better than my machine was doing. Of course I was Overclocked at my normal 4Ghz and he was stock at his normal 4Ghz. He obviously beat me with single threaded apps but it really didn't seem like that great of an upgrade. My system is quite nice at 4Ghz or beyond.

So, I was waiting for something more, maybe Zen but even that doesn't seem ready for me. So I'm going for Zen refresh on 12LP maybe mid/late summer next year. Still not sure if its a 8 core or 12 core version yet. lol

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To answer your question, yes, possible. But it would be financial suicide.

What AMD should do is release a tuned Vega 11, and just let the miners have it. Literally printing money.
Only hard core fanboys and budget minded people have been buying AMD cards. Had AMD released a 590X I believe it would have only MADE money because so many would not have been pushed to the 1060's and 1070's, and considering Vega has been nothing but LOST money to AMD, at least when talking about RX, I just do not see how it would have been suicide. People who wanted mining cards still would have bought those mining cards lock stock and barrel regardless. But at the same time agnostic gamers who wanted a better AMD experience would probably have not jumped shipped to NVIDIA, which I so very very closely did just because of performance numbers. Market Share is everything, which is why AMD is OK with losing money on some Vega dies. However, people like myself would have already purchased the 590X had it been available and THAT is money made. Money was lost in 2017 for not having a decent 1440p RX and more money lost on a too expensive to build Vega. I think the 590X would have been nothing but extra cash to them, without spending any extra R&D. Polaris was already there and GDDR5/5X was already ready and affordable. My point being they still would have sold EVERYTHING they made in 2017, everything, and at the same time lost less AMD leaning gamers to the 1060 and 1070. When they redid the 400 series and released the 500 series, adding just one more sku the 590X would NOT have broke their bank, its just one more sku. Their Bank accounts were flooding with incoming cash from all directions this year. So how in the heck can you commit financial suicide if your cant even keep up with your customers demand and you sell everything the moment it is built? I just do not see one lousy sku causing a financial collapse in a year that they sold everything they manufactured.

Yeah Vega 11 needs to come and it seems like it should have been announced already. I wonder if they are bypassing 14LPP and just taking it straight to 12LP? And if they are that means March at the earliest for consumers and possibly April/May (?). I hope its tomorrow myself, lol.
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I'm basing my statement off the fact that every enthusiast card after RV770 has been a failure.
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