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While we know Google uses our handsets to monitor location data, one would imagine that turning off location services stops this practice. But according to an investigation by Quartz, phones running Android software not only track users when the feature is disabled, but they also know where you are even if you haven’t used any apps and don’t have a SIM card inserted.
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The company has confirmed that it does engage in this practice, but it will stop by the end of November.

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Read more here at Quartz: https://qz.com/1131515/google-collects-android-users-locations-even-when-location-services-are-disabled/



So, they run a service that they purportedly didn't use for 11 months and will now conveniently turn it off after being found out and contacted by Quartz on the matter. Ok then.
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More reason not to go back to Android.

Not that I'm expecting better of Micro$uck...
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I wonder if apple does the same thing too...
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So google collects data on what tower you connect to, and that you're near giving location info. And with no sim card, it gets data based off of wifi locations if you connect.

 

Well no duh, cell phone carries already aggregate this info anyway, so its already out there sitting on severs somewhere if anyone really wants to find it. All turning off locaton services does is lower the precision of tracking data related to your smartphone.
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What a load of rubbish:
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“In January of this year, we began looking into using Cell ID codes as an additional signal to further improve the speed and performance of message delivery,” the Google spokesperson said in an email. “However, we never incorporated Cell ID into our network sync system, so that data was immediately discarded, and we updated it to no longer request Cell ID.”

(...)

Although the data sent to Google is encrypted, it could potentially be sent to a third party if the phone had been compromised with spyware or other methods of hacking. Each phone has a unique ID number, with which the location data can be associated.

(...)

While Google says it doesn’t use the location data it collects using this service, its does allow advertisers to target consumers using location data, an approach that has obvious commercial value.

So basically Google didn't use it or collect it, it was transmitted in encrypted form as part of the push notification system and then discarded.

In order to justify this clickbait article they say it could be used if the phone was compromised... I'm pretty sure if the phone is compromised with spyware this would be the least practical method of obtaining the phone's location data.

And then they just go and chuck in a load of stuff about the location service, despite acknowledging this wasn't used for it and is in no way related to the collection of Cell IDs, to try and create a connection from the readers perspective.
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So why would they keep an apparently useless service operational and using data for 11 months if they had no use for it whatsoever and are only now shutting it down after someone found out that they were doing it? Why was this never disclosed until now and why were users never given the option to turn it off?

You're not parsing corporate behaviour enough, NihilOC.
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So why would they keep an apparently useless service operational and using data for 11 months if they had no use for it whatsoever and are only now shutting it down after someone found out that they were doing it? Why was this never disclosed until now and why were users never given the option to turn it off?

You're not parsing corporate behaviour enough, NihilOC.

This happens with large programs all the time.

Stuff gets added for testing or as part of a planned roll out, e.g. Cell ID being incorporated into part of the protocol involved in push notifications, and ends up getting left in as a legacy function when it isn't actually implemented.

Google have no reason to try and surreptitiously use Cell ID to track people, every time you go on a site with Google ads or Google itself they can get a rough idea of your location regardless of this or your preferences for location services (which people usually have turned on anyway).

Where is the risk/reward benefit in them engaging in a large scale illegal activity to secretly obtain and store information that they already hold?
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This happens with large programs all the time.

Stuff gets added for testing or as part of a planned roll out, e.g. Cell ID being incorporated into part of the protocol involved in push notifications, and ends up getting left in as a legacy function when it isn't actually implemented.

Google have no reason to try and surreptitiously use Cell ID to track people, every time you go on a site with Google ads or Google itself they can get a rough idea of your location regardless of this or your preferences for location services (which people usually have turned on anyway).

Where is the risk/reward benefit in them engaging in a large scale illegal activity to secretly obtain and store information that they already hold?

Well, first of all you're assuming that people would be irremediably using Google sites / services at any point in time and secondly, it's not the first time that Google has engaged in practices that raise eyebrows, like that time when their Google Street View cars went around the world photographing streets but also vacuuming Wi-Fi data. Why they would leave this on for 11 months if they had reportedly no use for it is a question worth asking. Maybe they didn't, but some other entity paid for that service.

Again, the history of the Titanic provides good insight on how things happen many times:
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Despite the failure of his 1977 expedition, Robert Ballard had not given up hope and devised new technologies and a new search strategy to tackle the problem. The new technology was a system called Argo / Jason. This consisted of a remotely controlled deep-sea vehicle called Argo, equipped with sonar and cameras and towed behind a ship, with a robot called Jason tethered to it that could roam the sea floor, take close-up images and gather specimens. The images from the system would be transmitted back to a control room on the towing vessel where they could be assessed immediately. Although it was designed for scientific purposes, it also had important military applications and the United States Navy agreed to sponsor the system's development,[26] on condition that it was to be used to carry out a number of programmes – many still classified – for the Navy.[27]

The Navy commissioned Ballard and his team to carry out a month-long expedition every year for four years, to keep Argo / Jason in good working condition.[28] It agreed to Ballard's proposal to use some of the time to search for Titanic once the Navy's objectives had been met; the search would provide an ideal opportunity to test Argo / Jason. In 1984 the Navy sent Ballard and Argo to map the wrecks of the sunken nuclear submarines USS Thresher and USS Scorpion, lost in the North Atlantic at depths of up to 9,800 feet (3,000 m).[29]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wreck_of_the_RMS_Titanic
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I wonder if apple does the same thing too...

Well apple have been consistently claiming that they do not collect nor spy on the users.
What you share under your account is under your account, like the find my phone etc on iCloud, but not being actively followed on by apple.
What you share with apps, that is your problem.
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