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[Reuters]At least 15 Countries join global alliance to phase out coal by 2030

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BONN, Germany (Reuters) - At least 15 countries have joined an international alliance to phase out coal from power generation before 2030, delegates at U.N. climate talks in Bonn said on Thursday.

Britain, Canada, Denmark, Finland, Italy, France, the Netherlands, Portugal, Belgium, Switzerland, New Zealand, Ethiopia, Mexico and the Marshall Islands have joined the Powering Past Coal Alliance, delegates said.

The alliance aims to have 50 members by the next U.N. climate summit in 2018 to be held in Poland’s Katowice, one of Europe’s most polluted cities.

But some of the world’s biggest coal users, such as China, the United States, Germany and Russia, have not signed up.

Pretty bold claim but let's see if this goes through.Edited the title slightly to reflect accuracy of the story.

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Too bad just the planned increase of coal use in India and China will completely wipe out any benefits of this move.
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Better than everybody increasing coal use, at least. In a world ruled by shortsightedness I'll take whatever we can get.

     
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China is strange because it probably spends the most money on alternate energy sources/research, and yet is one of the worst coal users on the planet. They have pretty much taken the position that it's going to be full throttle right up until they find something less harsh on the environment lol.

*found the link* Not sure if things have changed in the last few years but THIS is what I'm talking about. In 2015 China spent more on renewables than the next three countries combined (US, Japan, and the UK)
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China is strange because it probably spends the most money on alternate energy sources/research, and yet is one of the worst coal users on the planet. They have pretty much taken the position that it's going to be full throttle right up until they find something less harsh on the environment lol.

*found the link* Not sure if things have changed in the last few years but THIS is what I'm talking about. In 2015 China spent more on renewables than the next three countries combined (US, Japan, and the UK)

 

True, though it's arguably (and unfortunately) the most realistic (certainly the most pragmatic) approach of any major pollution contributor. Were the stakeholder capitalism of 50-60 years ago still in effect, I'd have more confidence in adaptation with necessary sacrifices, but the dominant shareholder capitalism mentality doesn't think ahead 5 years, let alone 50. It's all about the next quarter.

     
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What times are you guys living in? China has already closed 50% of their coal factories

http://www.straitstimes.com/asia/east-asia/chinas-coal-ban-leaves-some-families-out-in-the-cold

plus spending close to 500 billion(not million) on solar energy

https://solartrustcentre.com.au/china-will-spend-493-billion-renewable-power/
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What times are you guys living in? China has already closed 50% of their coal factories

http://www.straitstimes.com/asia/east-asia/chinas-coal-ban-leaves-some-families-out-in-the-cold

plus spending close to 500 billion(not million) on solar energy

https://solartrustcentre.com.au/china-will-spend-493-billion-renewable-power/

Yea I was reading about that. I think they still are one of the biggest users of coal in the world today, and they don't sign on to any of these global alliances or pacts when it comes to coal. I could be wrong, but I'm guessing it is partly due to them not wanting to be told what to do, but more-so because China doesn't care so much about co2 emissions, they are shutting those plants down and phasing out coal because of smog and all the health problems their people are having from the byproducts (particulate). That is just a guess, though; I haven't looked that deeply into all of China's initiatives.
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It's like watching a wretched addict saying "I can stop any time I want".

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It won't matter. Pollution from China (and probably India as well)...

http://www.sacbee.com/news/local/environment/article17057207.html
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What times are you guys living in? China has already closed 50% of their coal factories

http://www.straitstimes.com/asia/east-asia/chinas-coal-ban-leaves-some-families-out-in-the-cold

plus spending close to 500 billion(not million) on solar energy

https://solartrustcentre.com.au/china-will-spend-493-billion-renewable-power/

 

 

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It won't matter. Pollution from China (and probably India as well)...

http://www.sacbee.com/news/local/environment/article17057207.html

See above.

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