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They should just make a commitment to put more funding into fusion energy with a commitment to abandon coal and oil generation once fusion is viable. To jump between various sources now is just a huge waste of time and money.
But we're still a very long way from viable fusion. Burn all the coal you want until fusion is here isn't a viable solution. I don't expect anyone alive today over 30 to ever see commercially viable fusion power.

We could ramp up more fission plants tomorrow, but then you'll have another set of tree huggers complaining about that.
     
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i think phasing out coal usage is a mistake, the problem isn't burning the coal but releasing emissions into the atmosphere.
there are many other ways to extract pollutants out of the flue gases, the only issue this has is the expense.

yes, power plants can be near zero emissions if they wanted to, they just don't want to do it because of the expensive equipment it needs to make it work.
http://www.world-nuclear.org/information-library/energy-and-the-environment/clean-coal-technologies.aspx
Edited by epic1337 - 11/24/17 at 5:02am
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i think phasing out coal usage is a mistake, the problem isn't burning the coal but releasing emissions into the atmosphere.

the solution is actually simple, and thats to pass the exhaust into a wet scrubber and convert CO2 into H2CO3 which can then be used to make salts.
there are many other ways to extract pollutants out of the flue gases, the only issue this has is the expense.

yes, power plants can be near zero emissions if they wanted to, they just don't want to do it because of the expensive equipment it needs to make it work.
http://www.world-nuclear.org/information-library/energy-and-the-environment/clean-coal-technologies.aspx
And that is why nuclear is better option... rolleyes.gif Renewable stuff is not consistent enough to rely on them too much. It can supplement an existing stable network but thats it.
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And that is why nuclear is better option... rolleyes.gif Renewable stuff is not consistent enough to rely on them too much. It can supplement an existing stable network but thats it.
nuclear is better, true.
but politics on nuclear is as dirty as coal plant's raw emissions. thumbsdownsmileyanim.gif

now ignoring that part, coal plants and gas plants should continue running, instead of decommissioning them they should upgrade them with pollution capture facilities.
this way, instead of suddenly hitting a road-block in power generation scalability, they'll open up to more effective means to reducing emissions entirely.

its like our issues with trash, the solution isn't to ban consumers from buying and throwing things, but instead implementing recycling facilities to reduce trash.
Edited by epic1337 - 11/24/17 at 5:59am
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Coal is definitely the first fuel I would stop using, it isn't that much cheaper and it is very polluting even if we discount CO2 completely. The people of China and India will directly suffer from using too much coal independent of climate change. Bringing the pollution down reduces or eliminates the cost benefit so other energy sources become economically more attractive anyway.
Using this logic to say we should not try to do anything is very scary. We should try to do as much as we can do easily, at least. redface.gif

Not saying the measure isn't good and we shouldn't do anything. I'm saying it is a trivial response unless India and China get on board.

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Ye, i don't think they care about co2, or at least i don't think that's why they are getting into renewables and phasing out coal. I think it has more to do with all the other pollutants. At least that's the only logical reason i can think of why they won't be apart of any global alliances, pacts, accords etc..

The only reason China is getting into renewable's is that their leadership is choking from air pollution in Beijing. China is forced to go renewable. Don't think of it as some planet-saving altruistic move. The Chinese don't care about the environment beyond their self interest. If the massive coal use didn't affect them one bit but choked the country next to them to death, 100% they would continue to use the coal.
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The only reason China is getting into renewable's is that their leadership is choking from air pollution in Beijing. China is forced to go renewable. Don't think of it as some planet-saving altruistic move. The Chinese don't care about the environment beyond their self interest. If the massive coal use didn't affect them one bit but choked the country next to them to death, 100% they would continue to use the coal.
There's also the benefit of being able to sell all of these technologies to the rest of the world. This way when countries like the US and Germany see the need for a mass transition...

I see you're not a fan of China, but it's not like the US is going out of it's way to battle hurricanes and mass flooding...
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This is click bait at it's finest. Watch this.

What do these countries plan on falling back on for their energy needs. LOL
I doubt this will ever happen. Think about it people.
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I see you're not a fan of China, but it's not like the US is going out of it's way to battle hurricanes and mass flooding...

You can't battle a hurricane, and the US has never experienced a mass flood.
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This is click bait at it's finest. Watch this.

What do these countries plan on falling back on for their energy needs. LOL
I doubt this will ever happen. Think about it people.

Solar, wind, hydro, nuclear and biomass

 

There are already a lot of countries that are already switching to them from coal, gas and oil and there are places like Scotland (population of 5.2 million) that has run entirely on those sources of power.

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Solar, wind, hydro, nuclear and biomass

There are already a lot of countries that are already switching to them from coal, gas and oil and there are places like Scotland (population of 5.2 million) that has run entirely on those sources of power.
biomass isn't really practical though, the energy requirement is too high and is continuously growing for agriculture to keep up with.
meaning, it has space issues with where to grow the biomass to satisfy energy demands.
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