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Well if they dump the idea of an 8 core my hopes are ryzen can get ipc and clock speed up. If so then going AMD will be the choice.

Intel should have done an 8 core to 100% secure there performance crown gambling on a 6 core and hoping AMD wont deliver is dangerous. But I can see intel trying to milk the market for every penny they can even at some high risk
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cascade lake huh. I wonder what features that platform will bring?
They will require a cascade phase-change cooling set-up to keep them operational biggrin.gif
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Well if they dump the idea of an 8 core my hopes are ryzen can get ipc and clock speed up. If so then going AMD will be the choice.

Intel should have done an 8 core to 100% secure there performance crown gambling on a 6 core and hoping AMD wont deliver is dangerous. But I can see intel trying to milk the market for every penny they can even at some high risk

If Intel skips out on 8 core mainstream parts it will probably be a yield issue. They probably just omitted it from these slides though.

I would be elated if Intel delays 8 core mainstream parts and zen+ ends up really good. More money in the AMD coffers would mean more competition in the long term.

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They will require a cascade phase-change cooling set-up to keep them operational biggrin.gif

Maybe they'll ditch the pigeon crap TIM. That would solve the problem.
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Anyway, never read about "Cascade Lake".
Cascade Lake are Server CPUs ready to be released next year, they are mentioned here:
https://www.anandtech.com/show/11722/intel-reveals-ice-lake-core-architecture-10nm-plus

That's probably the more interesting article here to explain it all.

It seems to me that Cannon Lake is simply Coffee Lake on the first 10nm process and it might just only be worth it for mobile applications if the graph below is anything to go by.

Ice Lake at 10nm+ is probably the new architecture, and where it probably starts to make sense for high performance applications, considering that Coffee Lake is on 14nm++.



https://www.anandtech.com/show/11722/intel-reveals-ice-lake-core-architecture-10nm-plus


As to Cascade Lake, it makes sense to adopt the same name for the HEDT platform. They couldn't call them Kaby Lake-X because they already have two CPUs in the current line-up with that name and Coffee Lake is also out of the question because it's basically Kaby Lake on 14nm++, whereas Cascade Lake will probably be on 14nm+, the same process as Kaby Lake, whose name they can't use because of the above.


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One thing that i like about Intel is how they stick to using codenames based on geographical places....unlike AMD, who in their naming schemes constantly mix completely unrelated stuff and it feels chaotic and unstructured (even if it is not) and it makes it difficult to remember. Like one moment naming CPUs after cities (Manchester, Toledo, Venice, Barcelona), next moment after stars (Agena, Deneb, Thuban), then heavy machinery (Bulldozer, Piledriver) and some Indian/oriental sounding stuff at the same time (Kaveri, Godavari), now its Zen and Zeppelin at the same time again...GPU division the same thing - what was wrong with the Islands?

I don't find Intel naming any better than AMD: Skylake, Kaby lake, coffeelake, Cannon lake, tiger lake, gemini lake, casade lake, ice lake. What is all this lakes nonsense?


The best I find so far is none other than Nvidia, who stick strictly to Scientist name after moving away from original G80/92 structure, and all uses a unique first alphabet.

Tesla, Fermi, Kepler, Maxwell, Pascal, Volta, Ampere.

Actually G80/92 is first generation Tesla, that's where they started to name their architectures. All these three are Tesla based: GeForce 8 series - first gen Tesla, 9 series - polished first gen, and 200 series - 2nd gen Tesla.
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There will be CNL on desktops. Hopefully it performs well.
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There will be CNL on desktops. Hopefully it performs well.

Will there? It doesn't seem like it. Desktop will probably go from 14nm++ Coffee Lake to 10nm+ Ice Lake.
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Intel's current plan is to split the desktop and laptop chips up. Desktop chips will stick with 14nm variants, currently Kaby Lake and soon Coffee Lake. Laptop chips will diverge; there will be not only 14nm++ Coffee Lake laptop parts but also 10nm Cannon Lake parts. Ian Cutress at AnandTech speculates that the split will be driven by core size and power; the smaller 15W parts will be Cannon Lakes because small chips will maximize the yields of the new 10nm process. Larger processors, from 35W and up, will stick with 14nm++ and Coffee Lake.

Ice Lake, built on 10nm+, may re-unify things. In principle, the second-generation, more mature 10nm process should offer better yields for larger chips and hence be suitable for a wider range of Intel's processors.

https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2017/08/intels-next-generation-chip-plans-ice-lake-and-a-slow-10nm-transition/


Also because of the graph I posted in my previous post.
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The articles about Cascade Lake seem to point of a 'refresh' or Skylake-X (SP). I wonder if they will keep the same Core but have the ability to refine things like Mesh and PCIe 4.0?
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Will there? It doesn't seem like it. Desktop will probably go from 14nm++ Coffee Lake to 10nm+ Ice Lake.
https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2017/08/intels-next-generation-chip-plans-ice-lake-and-a-slow-10nm-transition/


Also because of the graph I posted in my previous post.

https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/design/products-and-solutions/processors-and-chipsets/platform-codenames.html







lemme just repost it.
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I saw that, but it could be for all-in-one systems, soldered to the board, lower TDP versions (up to 65w) than normal, up to 90 - 95w mainstream desktop parts. Do you have an account to see what more they have behind that "View" button (I doubt it, since an NDA is required anyway)?
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it's only accessible to employees. but nonetheless, exciting times ahead man.
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