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[VIDEOCARDZ] AMD has revealed the latest roadmap for Ryzen architecture.

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The second generation Ryzen is set to launch late Q1 2018, according to the latest roadmap presented by AMD. AMD is also planning to launch Ryzen 3 mobile APU (Raven Ridge) in the first quarter. Business-oriented Ryzen PRO mobile APUs are also to be expected early next year.


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Unfortunately, not too much info other than it being official and a late 1st quarter release, but for those wanting a ryzen 2.0 upgrade its in their mindset as an option. I'm not sure if AMD can release anything that can stomp their current lineup, but i'm looking forward to see what they bring to the table.
 
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It looks fake
Too many rumors not to be fake. I wouldn't expect massive improvements. anything more than 20% improvement in per-core performance is a pipe dream. More cores are possible although extremely unlikely.
 
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I am really putting faith in AMD that my x370 mobo will last. Ideally I want to skip Ryzen 2.0 and upgrade after Ryzen 3.0 has been out. I am fine with losing out on more new features as long as I can bios update to receive the future chip.
 
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20% uplift is unrealistic. AMD is already nearly at parity with Intel clock for clock, and Intel struggles to eek out more than a few percent between generations. I do not expect AMD to surpass Intel in IPC.
Oh so 20% uplift is unrealistic, but explain the massive 52% uplift from the previous generation with a 'from scratch' architecture.
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Let's face it, Zen is a brand new thing and, like the Core series chips when they first released, this is the new big bad thing that everyone should be buying.
 
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My guess is IPC improvements that get very close to Intels IPC of CL and then they will fix the OC wall and allow overclocks of >4.6Ghz.
Those are my guesstimates
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My guess is IPC improvements that get very close to Intels IPC of CL and then they will fix the OC wall and allow overclocks of >4.6Ghz.
Those are my guesstimates
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Very reasonable expectations. I agree, 6-10% IPC and 12-15% higher clocks for advertised gains of 30% in certain applications, 25% across the board.*

*Assuming same core count and power
 
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I don't expect IPC improvements from next year's Ryzen refresh, but we will see a modest bump in clockspeed.
 
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I don't expect IPC improvements from next year's Ryzen refresh, but we will see a modest bump in clockspeed.
I agree. If all they did was make them 4.0ghz/ 4.5ghz/ 5ghz (base/ boost/ max OC) and add solid ram compatibility up to 4000mhz that would be enough for a solid refresh.
 
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I don't expect IPC improvements from next year's Ryzen refresh, but we will see a modest bump in clockspeed.
Why? AMD was able to improve IPC on Ryzen by a significant amount compared to the previous gen, and that architecture is still new. You don't think there is any headroom for IPC gains with a brand new from scratch architecture on a new smaller node?

Come on... History proves you wrong sir.
 
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Why? AMD was able to improve IPC on Ryzen by a significant amount compared to the previous gen, and that architecture is still new. You don't think there is any headroom for IPC gains with a brand new from scratch architecture on a new smaller node?

Come on... History proves you wrong sir.
Because it's Zen on 12nm not Zen 2.
 
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Because it's Zen on 12nm not Zen 2.
...and? I don't see why both things can't be true. If Intel can improve IPC along with a die shrink, so can AMD.

People are just so used to Intel failing consumers for the past 2 years that they think progress isn't possible.
 
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People are just so used to Intel failing consumers for the past 2 years that they think progress isn't possible.
Make that since Haswell, if you're talking about desktop-class enthusiasts.

Broadwell brought power efficiency improvements, Skylake not much at all, Kaby Lake made Skylake clocks possible with Broadwell IPC, and Coffee Lake has been the only notable product since Haswell (which owes much of its success to the higher clocks it allowed without chucking efficiency out the window).

Things are different in HEDT. Since SB-E we've had reasonable improvements generation after generation.
 
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Make that since Haswell, if you're talking about desktop-class enthusiasts.

Broadwell brought power efficiency improvements, Skylake not much at all, Kaby Lake made Skylake clocks possible with Broadwell IPC, and Coffee Lake has been the only notable product since Haswell (which owes much of its success to the higher clocks it allowed without chucking efficiency out the window).

Things are different in HEDT. Since SB-E we've had reasonable improvements generation after generation.
Yeah, you're right. Broadwell was released in 2015 though IIRC, so roughly 2 years.
 
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I am expecting performance gains. AMD said it themselves regarding Zen.

https://www.pcworld.com/article/3155129/components-processors/amd-says-its-zen-cpu-architecture-is-expected-to-last-four-years.html
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While Anderson's responsible for bringing Ryzen to market-"you don't have any idea how many hours I and my team have spent on this," Anderson said-it's Papermaster who has to think of the future. When asked how long Zen would last, compared to Intel's two-year tick-tock cadence, Papermaster confirmed the four-year lifespan and tapped the table in front of him: "We're not going tick-tock," he said. "Zen is going to be tock, tock, tock."
 
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20% uplift is unrealistic. AMD is already nearly at parity with Intel clock for clock, and Intel struggles to eek out more than a few percent between generations. I do not expect AMD to surpass Intel in IPC.
Difference, though, is that Intel hasn't done a from-scratch design in a long, long time; they're basically trying to squeeze blood from the P6/Conroe turnip. Zen is new, so there's almost certainly more low-hanging fruit they can address to improve things.

I do agree, however, that 20% is on the extreme upper end of feasible.
 
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Lower latency, higher frequency RAM, more cache, better OC = more IPC / IPS
If they entirely focused on clockspeed, they could potentially reach 5Ghz (my guess is 4.5-4.6ghz for the record), still 10-12% better single core ain't bad.

5Ghz, BAM 20% uplift achieved on per-core performance, along with higher frequency RAM etc.

IPC probably will see an extremely low gain (something like 1-3%), as this is more of a quick Zen improvement and not a massive rework of the architecture. I imagine 7nm Zen 2 will be the massive improvement on IPC/Power efficiency.
 
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The thing I'm most interested in is if the motherboard vendors are actually going to start making more boards, we have crap all ITX boards the the mATX boards leave a lot to be desired, also proper ECC support would be good to or some workstation / consumer grade server boards because the lower end Ryzen chips are perfect for cheap but powerful NAS set ups... but they need ECC especially for FreeNAS.
 
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I am expecting performance gains. AMD said it themselves regarding Zen.

https://www.pcworld.com/article/3155129/components-processors/amd-says-its-zen-cpu-architecture-is-expected-to-last-four-years.html
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While Anderson's responsible for bringing Ryzen to market-"you don't have any idea how many hours I and my team have spent on this," Anderson said-it's Papermaster who has to think of the future. When asked how long Zen would last, compared to Intel's two-year tick-tock cadence, Papermaster confirmed the four-year lifespan and tapped the table in front of him: "We're not going tick-tock," he said. "Zen is going to be tock, tock, tock."
Thanks for posting this, it seems to dispel the oft-repeated claim that 12nm Zen is nothing more than an optical shrink.
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If they entirely focused on clockspeed, they could potentially reach 5Ghz (my guess is 4.5-4.6ghz for the record), still 10-12% better single core ain't bad.

5Ghz, BAM 20% uplift achieved on per-core performance, along with higher frequency RAM etc.

IPC probably will see an extremely low gain (something like 1-3%), as this is more of a quick Zen improvement and not a massive rework of the architecture. I imagine 7nm Zen 2 will be the massive improvement on IPC/Power efficiency.
This is a brand-new design that got relatively rushed out the door. Engineers have said there's a lot of low-hanging fruit. Just look at Bulldozer to Piledriver; some small changes to the caches, front-end, and load/store units and you got ~15% IPC uplift in exactly one year on what was technically labelled by AMD as a new stepping of the same die. I think you are far more likely to see a larger IPC improvement than quoted than to see 5GHz. GF only estimates a 10% performance improvement moving to 12nm, which would translate to 4.4GHz on the flagship, and getting the rest of that via design changes is not easy to do without sacrificing IPC.
 
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Zen’s development team was split in two groups that work on leapfrogging designs. A team has been working on the low hanging fruit since presumably before the launch of Ryzen. I doubt that there will be insignificant performance gains. There’s a lot that can be done presumably easily to improve Zen’s design.
 
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