I dont think my outlets are grounded and in result, I'm feeling on/off heavy mouse lags. Especially when I touch the side of my PC case, my mouse behaves differently.
When I isolate the mouse cable to some spot with tape, it'll generally feel much more normal, but only temporarily.
Now my question is more if you guys have grounded outlets or not. Because if you dont have grounded outlets, and your mouse is working perfectly fine with no weird movement or stuff like that, then I would know not to dwell too much on grounds and instead find the problem elsewhere.
I've tried stuff like UPS, new PC cabinet etc etc. nothing helps with it.
I dont think my outlets are grounded and in result, I'm feeling on/off heavy mouse lags. Especially when I touch the side of my PC case, my mouse behaves differently.
When I isolate the mouse cable to some spot with tape, it'll generally feel much more normal, but only temporarily.
Now my question is more if you guys have grounded outlets or not. Because if you dont have grounded outlets, and your mouse is working perfectly fine with no weird movement or stuff like that, then I would know not to dwell too much on grounds and instead find the problem elsewhere.
I've tried stuff like UPS, new PC cabinet etc etc. nothing helps with it.
I'm guessing you have the same problem as me, but installing ground didnt solve your issue? Also I'm not 100% sure, but I think UPS in general needs proper grounded outlets in order to work properly, which could be the reason why UPS did nothing for me.
I had the problem for years until it went away. Still unsure as to how i fixed it, but i blamed a loose ac atx plug. the house here is not grounded but all the sockets are three pin. the electricity is daisy chained from an older building with a ground. That issue with touching the case is a classic symptom of rf ground loops. grounding probably won't improve it in that situation.
I live in a designated first-world country that for some reason allows houses built in the early 90s and before that to still have ungrounded outlets anywhere in the house except for the bathroom(s) and kitchen(s). So bedroom, living room etc. doesn't have any grounded outlets at all and it costs a fortune to upgrade the electrical wiring.
That said I have not experienced any mouse lag whatsoever. The only issue I have had is that with an early CeeSA Paracord cable my G Pro started vibrating (literally like a vibrator) and that was freaky as hell. After some months though it magically stopped doing that.
I have heard some things but I think this takes the cake. Are you guys serious? I lived in a house with no earth grounds and I never did see anything like this.
absolutely serious. computers aren't just dc circuits, you're dealing with rf. the usb bus frequency is ~24mhz. for instance whenever i move my mouse I hear a pulsing noise in my sound system. I used to have a fm radio with a broken antenna and i could hear the processor working. scrolling the page made a distinctive sound. rf is really difficult to fix when it goes against you. at one time i had a hf transceiver at my pc and whenever i keyed up i had to replug my mouse. it's not helped by manufacturers leaving out the shield wire in usb cables.
Not in the older Microsoft mice, which always had that metal shielding within it's cables hence why everyone hated the thickness and heavy aspect of them.
Whilst everyone is going for Ceesa's cable replacement, please understand he removed all that shielding to make his cables so flexible and none intrusive, hence you give up something in order to receive something else.
I have heard some things but I think this takes the cake. Are you guys serious? I lived in a house with no earth grounds and I never did see anything like this.
Yes series. There is some sort of interference with my mouse signal. But the grounding part is the touching stuff. Whenever I touch the side of the PC or bring something close to the table like my keys or anything really, the mouse feels weaker and inaccurate. It gets triggered as if I enabled acceleration or something in that behavior.
absolutely serious. computers aren't just dc circuits, you're dealing with rf. the usb bus frequency is ~24mhz. for instance whenever i move my mouse I hear a pulsing noise in my sound system. I used to have a fm radio with a broken antenna and i could hear the processor working. scrolling the page made a distinctive sound. rf is really difficult to fix when it goes against you. at one time i had a hf transceiver at my pc and whenever i keyed up i had to replug my mouse. it's not helped by manufacturers leaving out the shield wire in usb cables.
I can hear that through my guitar amps, also in my parents' house (3000kms away).
And I also had some kind of rf interference every summer (that this year went away, fortunately): 3 very high pitched sounds at 3000, 6000 and 15000Hz, loud as hell and audible from the speakers (if turned up enough), guitar amps and even a battery powered mini guitar amp for headphones.
I live in a designated first-world country that for some reason allows houses built in the early 90s and before that to still have ungrounded outlets anywhere in the house except for the bathroom(s) and kitchen(s). So bedroom, living room etc. doesn't have any grounded outlets at all and it costs a fortune to upgrade the electrical wiring.
That said I have not experienced any mouse lag whatsoever. The only issue I have had is that with an early CeeSA Paracord cable my G Pro started vibrating (literally like a vibrator) and that was freaky as hell. After some months though it magically stopped doing that.
That's odd. I'm pretty sure his cables don't have the ground wire. If you look at it before you install it, you can see it's missing 1 cable compared to the Logitech.
That's odd. I'm pretty sure his cables don't have the ground wire. If you look at it before you install it, you can see it's missing 1 cable compared to the Logitech.
No guarantee it'll work but you could try a ferrite bead:
I use one on every mouse to keep it from glitching whenever some appliance turns off or on. No guarantee it'll work for ungrounded outlet issues though. For a better chance of it working get one with a 15mm hole or larger and loop the cable through it many times.
No difference in mouse movement for me but a funny thing used to happen, whenever I would touch my radiator with the tip of my leg and at the same time lay fingers on the metallic board of k70 I would always get electrocuted sort of like tingles going through my fingers, shocked very mildly/firmly and so on but, that didnt affect my mouse movement or any sort of thing (or maybe im just used to it) lol
for op, lag, especially if you think it's subtle, is probably in your head. note i say "probably", not "surely"
my only experience with anything similar is the corsair m65pro which through some magic would literally collect static when moved and then send it down my usb port, causing all my usb devices to freeze for 15seconds at a time.
Wait, you still have electrical installations without grounding? In Denmark?
I bought a house from the 1930s and that had some old fabric covered two-core cables, which is allowed as long as nothing is changed with the installation, but as soon as you just want to have one more outlet it has to be upgraded to proper cables. Also you can't have a GFI without grounding, right? I wouldn't want to live in a house without GFI, especially with kids.
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it's not helped by manufacturers leaving out the shield wire in usb cables.
Which manufacturers do that? Because as far as I'm aware it's a requirement for an FCC certificate for all wires of an unintentional radiator to be shielded, so it would be really weird if any brand sold mice without shielded cables, especially considering that shielded USB cables are the norm these days.
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They don't have the shield pin in use as there is no shield in the cable to connect it to.
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